http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ ElsaElsa Boards: Recent Posts en Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:59:09 +0000 http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/uranusmars-aspects#post-30554 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:55:50 +0000 LisLioness 30554@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>My almost 8 yo has dreams like that.&nbsp; They don't happen very often, but she winds up sleeping with me when they do.</p> <p>She has a Mars/Uranus conjunction in Aquarius in the 5th, opposite her Leo Moon. </p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/uranusmars-aspects#post-30553 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:22:44 +0000 Elsa 30553@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>Welcome, Sky. :) </p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/how-would-you-propose-healing-the-divide-in-the-united-states#post-30552 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:07:29 +0000 tinaroma 30552@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>I wish we could get rid of the two party system and simply deal with the issues. I feel these labels, today, distort people's perceptions. People see only the label, red or blue, this or that, and so remain blind to a thing's essence. We need to get back to the pure, raw essence of things. The essence of things that matter.&nbsp; </p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/uranusmars-aspects#post-30551 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:16:30 +0000 sky 30551@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>Hi I have Mars conjunct Uranus conjunct Sun in the First House in Cancer&nbsp; with Gemini Rising.&nbsp; </p> <p>Years ago as a young adult I had a very strong image come up that I intuited as a past life memory&nbsp; of being a young boy about 5 ..it's night&nbsp; and&nbsp; I am surrounded by big out of control fires all around me... large burning buildings. I&nbsp; am a haemopheliac ( sp) and I am injured by the part of the falling buildings and bleed to death. For some reason I&nbsp; identified it as the Russian Revolution and that I was part of the aristocracy being deposed.&nbsp; Interestingly, in my 20's I was on deaths door&nbsp; twice due to a heamouraging issue ( I am not a haemopheliac ) which I eventually cured through diet. </p> <p>On another occasion&nbsp; an astrologer., 25 years my senior and whom&nbsp; I respected highly told me of a past life she saw where I endured&nbsp; major sexual abuse, suffered greatly and died&nbsp; at 29. In this life I have not suffered this way except for one instance in my early 40's where I&nbsp; did experience a&nbsp; life threatening&nbsp; attack and sexual assault in my home by an intruder. The suddenness and aggression to my person might be&nbsp; that he Mars Uranus and Sun were triggered by a transiting planet. I&nbsp; have not thought about that till now...will to look it up.&nbsp; These are experiences of being acted upon in an aggressive way...</p> <p>I am not an aggressive person&nbsp; but I can be very&nbsp; driven and very persevering when I really want some thing I have attributed that to the Cancerian desire nature and Mars in Cancer.&nbsp; I have a baudy and &quot; bent &quot; sense of humor&nbsp; ( Mars conj Uranus&nbsp; I assume) . I am not easily shocked&nbsp; .&nbsp; I think the Mars gets watered down in Cancer and is in it's Fall or detroment ( can't recall which )&nbsp; </p> <p>Cheers,</p> <p>S </p> <p>&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;</p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/how-would-you-propose-healing-the-divide-in-the-united-states#post-30550 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:13:55 +0000 ambidee 30550@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>I would propose everyone has to argue in favour of the 'other' camp for a month. So a month of non-blaming, but really trying to understand what makes the other tick. I know, it's too much to ask, but it's important. This should also be taught in schools and universities. A problem is never one-dimensional, and it's far better if people can SEE the other side, and have a discussion based on that, rather than just knowing your own opinion and blindly attacking the other side. Nothing good comes out of that.</p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/2nd-saturn-return#post-30549 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:36:07 +0000 sky 30549@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>Hi first time here on this site .&nbsp;</p> <p> i enjoyed reading all your posts about 2nd satrun return </p> <p>I&nbsp; have gemini&nbsp; ascendant , a first house sun in cancer in a&nbsp; rolling conjunction... mars, uranus, sun and a 3rd house saturn conjunct moon and&nbsp; south node . </p> <p>2nd return peaked this october just gone...so much smoother than first return. this return feels like its alot about </p> <p>1...am aware that i have to take more responibility for what i put in my mouth and how it affects me ..no more excuses</p> <p>2...am aware that its totally up to me as to whether i chose to enjoy my life or suffer it</p> <p>3...am first time home builder..very practical activity..never built a home from scratch before..almost done.</p> <p>4...3rd house am reviewing a lot how i react to and then and express myself to others and how it's received..taking more responsibility for how things come out of my mouth...( notice the mouth focus here ..interesting )&nbsp; and for how people react.</p> <p>5...this year have seen improvement in my relationships with&nbsp; my 2 siblings .. esp one who would not talk to me for 30 years and has finally decided to drop the hatchet.</p> <p>As i write this i realize this 2nd return has been a lot about fruition ..and i was so scared of it after the first one colored by&nbsp; much confusion, a failed marriage and&nbsp; much struggle on emotional ,spiritual, physical and financial levels </p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>I realize there's no point being scared of upcoming aspects...when they come i will have the equipment to deal with them&nbsp; and not before.. and it does feel like that.</p> <p>cheers, </p> <p>sky </p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/positive-saturnpluto#post-30548 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:14:56 +0000 tinaroma 30548@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>Saturn recently entered my 2nd and will square Pluto in my 5th. But for now, Pluto is finishing his business at the tail end of my 4th, and I have felt the palpable and positive effects of Saturn's stern support as Pluto leaves: There is a corpse in my 4th that Pluto's presence has made increasingly, undeniably (though I was doing my very best to deny it) evident. Saturn has allowed me to step away from the body and become fertilized by its remains. </p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/what-is-on-your-mind/page/2#post-30547 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:58:01 +0000 GW 30547@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>((Kash)) </p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/my-personal-experience-with-saturn-pluto#post-30546 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:42:46 +0000 GW 30546@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>Very few things irritate me more than being told by people that everything is going to be alright, when I know damn well they are not. </p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/christmas-shopping-on-amazon#post-30545 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:40:10 +0000 GW 30545@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>*bumps* </p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/my-personal-experience-with-saturn-pluto#post-30544 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:58:34 +0000 wyrdling 30544@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>i think what StephB says might be the closest to an explanation- they didn't want to face the reality.&nbsp; maybe hoping they could possibly find an answer.&nbsp; no more comfortable face to face with their lack of omnipotence.</p> <p>i don't know.&nbsp; but families sure have to face the music in a way the doctors never will.&nbsp; there will always be more patients.</p> <p>the doctor did something similar with my grandfather.&nbsp; if he'd actually admitted it was as bad as it was and used the treatment for such cases it might have made a difference.&nbsp; maybe not.&nbsp; but the doctor got fixed on believing he could cure him and hung on to trying to keep my grandpa around way past the bounds of grandpa's living will. </p> <p>maybe some take &quot;failure&quot; (inevitability?) too personally. </p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/jupiter-1-saturn-0#post-30543 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:35:16 +0000 Orlando 30543@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>A quote from my sister in law. 'I am the second luckiest person in the world......The luckiest person in the world has my life with no cancer.'&nbsp;</p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/how-would-you-propose-healing-the-divide-in-the-united-states#post-30542 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:26:58 +0000 Orlando 30542@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>I hope that&nbsp;people will learn to work together&nbsp;as the difficult times continue. I think things just have to run their course for awhile. It will take time to heal the divide.</p> <p>&nbsp;&nbsp;</p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/which-placements-are-the-sexiest#post-30541 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:22:21 +0000 Bananas 30541@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>Taurus. </p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/angry-leo-hair#post-30540 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:19:30 +0000 Bananas 30540@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>Ooh, you're a cutie! Hairdid is very becoming. </p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/commitmentphobia-the-non-relationship-kind#post-30539 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:12:01 +0000 Bananas 30539@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>Commitmentphobic... hmmm... well, I wouldn't quite say that. I worked for one company for seven years and was quite loyal, productive and well respected. At the time, I had a friend who freelanced and she kind of scoffed at me for being a corporate hack, and I scoffed at her, &quot;the freelance flake.&quot;</p> <p>But now I freelance and I couldn't ever imagine going back! :)The variety, the freedom, and the incredible challenge of it all keeps me bright eyed and bushy-tailed every day. I feel like I've grown as a person and my eyes have been opened to the value of so much more because of it. Being a freelancer also helps you grow your &quot;balls.&quot; You learn that if you want something in life, you can get it if you ask... if you're willing to be open minded and negotiate. Everything is negotiable. </p> <p>And it's not the actual full-time JOB that was ever the problem. It's the total bullshit that goes along with it. The fact that I have to sit in a meeting for 40 minutes listening to some douche read off a piece of paper... the fact that I'll catch hell if I'm late getting back from lunch because I got stuck in traffic on the way to the bank... the fact that if I have a bout of insomnia and end up coming in at 10 am and working until 6 rather than arriving on time at 9 and working 'til 5, I'll get flack for that.</p> <p>I think what it boils down to is that I don't like the feeling of having my time controlled by other people. If I say I'm going to do something, I'll do it, and I'll get it to you when you ask for it and maybe even before that. But prior to that, does anyone really need to be all up in your business about how you spend your time? No.&nbsp;</p> <p>I have almost no fire in my chart with the exception of neptune in Sadge. But I do have a lot of first house inner planets. </p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/my-personal-experience-with-saturn-pluto#post-30538 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:55:13 +0000 StephB 30538@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>Wow, that is so much worse, Elsa, that this was the professionals who were so unhelpful. I could understand one's friends saying things like this (although I have friends who've done the opposite with me - and I can tell you, that can be really jarring, too, especially if it's not really right). </p> <p>But I've also experienced professionals - doctors - who not one of them will be honest about a bleak situation (about a my husband's disease). I actually felt stupid, because it really did take me a long time - a few years - to figure it out that they <em>weren</em>'t going to ever lay it out straight. It also feels stupid because I knew early on, I just knew, that things were really bad - but I thought I should check with them and keep checking with them, because I thought they were experts and knew more than me. And I got literally nothing, nada, zero from them. I'm talking about many more than one or two doctors. A whole host of specialists and semi-specialists, and not one can talk squarely about what is clearly already happening and well underway. Weird. They know what is going on. They have seen this over and over. Why can't they tell me anything about it, and leave me groping in the dark, completely alone, piecing the blazingly obvious truth together for myself while my world falls apart?!&nbsp; (Of course, years later, after I'd figured everything out for myself, they could relax around me, relieved that the reality would remain unspoken.)</p> <p>I can only imagine that if they were all that way about my husband, how much worse - much, much worse - they would be about a child.&nbsp; And so they leave you alone, to deal with something worse than death. Because they can't handle it? Because they think you can't? Because they have to justify the possibility that they're useful, and making positive contributions, when really they have failed? It hardly matters why, since who cares about them... but it's not right for them to act like that. </p> <p>It's hard to write about. And, if it's anything even remotely like what I'm thinking of, what you're talking about is just something that nobody I know thinks exists.&nbsp; </p> <p>((I'm very sorry, Elsa.)) </p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/my-personal-experience-with-saturn-pluto#post-30537 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:02:19 +0000 Elsa 30537@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>iathina85 - it was not &quot;people&quot; telling me this, it was professionals. &quot;People&quot; quit talking to me a year (more) prior actually with very slim exception. Have your kid go down the way mine did and see people scram, I don't know what else to say.&nbsp; </p> <p>Everything was supposed to be all right, those people were supposed to come back in my life and music was going play I suppose. </p> <p>::coughs::</p> <p>No, I was on my own to have this slowly dawn and that is what I am talking about here.&nbsp; There is (was) a point where you just know, REGARDLESS of what you are being told by any number of sources.</p> <p>&nbsp;This is one of the reasons I tell people the truth in consultations. It's because I know I am probably the only one who will. </p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/commitmentphobia-the-non-relationship-kind#post-30536 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:40:04 +0000 Toni 30536@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>Lunalie, us fires signs have this problem. We are too energetic to sit in one place. Because sitting in one place takes commitment.</p> <p>Also, you're a double Aries? Aries rising also? Wow, you're very energetic!</p> <p>Well, anyways. What Pluto in Sag taught this Sag is to take things one step at a time, slow down,&nbsp;and get over your things that annoy you, your weaknesses, and most of all your fiery ego (I'm not calling you egotistical just fiery).&nbsp;I wish I took this advice while I was in the Pluto transit. I am only now starting to take my own advice.</p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/how-would-you-propose-healing-the-divide-in-the-united-states#post-30535 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:27:25 +0000 Toni 30535@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>Man, America's Pluto Return is bringing out the Id in everybody in the US. We're seeing arrogance shot at every angle. </p> <p>I say we all gather together like it's the 60's again!</p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/positive-saturnpluto#post-30534 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:25:11 +0000 Toni 30534@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>Saturn is in my 7th house and Pluto is in my 10th. :(</p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/positive-saturnpluto#post-30533 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:15:22 +0000 elfxys 30533@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>my values are changing.&nbsp;especially regarding money w. saturn in my 2nd house. i've put myself in debt to go to college but i'm starting to realize that i don't care much for a traditional career or rise in class status. lucky for me because realistically i just can't do this anymore. so i will be dropping out soon and finding work in other ways. i could fight this and pretend that the debt will all be happily repaid one day, but i'm not. letting the corpse die. </p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/mouthing-off-about-mars-in-leo#post-30532 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:14:13 +0000 Ro 30532@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>...This Mars is transiting my 8th house and the only thing I want to attack is this certain guy. &nbsp;Hahahah. &nbsp;Leave it to Sag to always keep it real. &nbsp;But seriously, I have been in attack mode at work. &nbsp;As in really, really working hard!! &nbsp;Thanks to Saturn in Libra transiting my 10th house finally getting me to &quot;shape the fuck up&quot; and quit BSing around. </p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/commitmentphobia-the-non-relationship-kind#post-30531 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:09:54 +0000 Lunalie 30531@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>I am commitmentphobic - not in romantic/friendly relationships (I'm known to be very loyal), but in my professional life. I do not like being tied down to one job professionally. I want variety. I want a challenge. I want to work on projects *I* picked out myself. I want to work with MY processes, MY way. I don't like working on someone else's schedule. Since I've decided to go freelance, it was challenging, yet so far, rewarding. For some odd reason, I find &quot;stability&quot; in what most feel is an &quot;unstable&quot; situation (ie. having multiple contract jobs as opposed to one full time job).&nbsp; </p> <p>I believe a lot of this is due to my Aries sun, but I also have Venus (in Taurus, 2nd house) opposite Uranus and squaring Mars. This could easily translate to relationships, but Venus is about income as well, correct?&nbsp; </p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Can anyone relate? It doesn't necessarily have to be relationships but perhaps other non-relationship things (such as education, arts, etc) as well.</p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/my-personal-experience-with-saturn-pluto#post-30530 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:09:07 +0000 iathina85 30530@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>((( Elsa)))</p> <p>I think somtimes people are dishonest in hard situations because they want to be supportive, but just to a certain extent...If they tell you the truth...they kind of have the responsebilitiy off helping you through it more than if they just feed the illution that its going to be ok in the end...not that it excuses that kind of behavior at all....</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/cardinal-grand-cross-august-7-2010#post-30529 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:04:29 +0000 user 30529@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>I have a T square at 4 degrees cardinal. If I'm in nursing school by then, it might give me beneficial intensity and energy. Or, I might just die. <img src="/my-plugins/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/icon_wink.gif" /> </p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/positive-saturnpluto#post-30528 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:01:45 +0000 user 30528@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>I think that's awesome, Dorothy. </p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/angry-leo-hair#post-30527 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:54:48 +0000 user 30527@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>Yes, your hair in this new style really frames your face. I like it! </p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/my-personal-experience-with-saturn-pluto#post-30526 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:53:45 +0000 Toni 30526@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>Elsa, I never thought about it that way. Saturn in Libra. &quot;There's a limit to how polite a person can be&quot;.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/mouthing-off-about-mars-in-leo#post-30525 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:51:05 +0000 user 30525@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>I thought Alicia was talking metaphorically. I can't imagine her actually putting her palm in someone's face, and&nbsp;I can't imagine myself encouraging that <img src="/my-plugins/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/icon_biggrin.gif" /> </p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/protesters-take-over-uc-berkeley-building#post-30524 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:47:34 +0000 Peppermint 30524@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>This is like the Tower card in the Tarot, right?&nbsp; Pandemonium, the tower's falling, no one knows what to do, there is anger and fear and resistance to change.</p> <p>The foundation's been cracked for a long time.&nbsp; Folks here who were/are students know this - they've commented on the wasteful spending on perpetrating traditions, like sports teams and a huge cadre of coaches, assistant coaches, etc.&nbsp; Administration is top heavy, some professors too, are expensive to keep on faculty, especially if they are there because they have made a name for themselves and their principle purpose is to attract students.&nbsp; I've never been a college student, but I've lived in four major college towns/cities, known lots of academics from many faculties.</p> <p>Something good (education) has been undermined by that which has cracked the foundation (excess, waste, lack of prudence) and now the tower's shaking because Pluto is clearing away that which is not appropriate.</p> <p>From another thread:&nbsp; cut your losses, universities, support learning more and sports (and other) traditions less.</p> <p>From another thread:&nbsp; you got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em.</p> <p>Don't want to take sides in this one - just trying to read the signs.</p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/how-would-you-propose-healing-the-divide-in-the-united-states#post-30523 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:44:43 +0000 wyrdling 30523@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>start with what we have in common and work from there. </p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/angry-leo-hair#post-30522 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:32:13 +0000 Peppermint 30522@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>What a lovely soft look there is to your expression, Luci, framed as it is by that flowing Leo hair!&nbsp; You go girl!&nbsp; RAWR! </p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/protesters-take-over-uc-berkeley-building#post-30521 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:29:37 +0000 wyrdling 30521@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>our university faculty and grad student alliance have repeatedly voted no confidence in our president for various ridiculous mismanagements, but the board of regents is appointed by the governor and not really accontable to anyone.&nbsp; it's frustrating.&nbsp; and, yes, education is essential.&nbsp; out of all the things to cut, it should be near the bottom of the list.&nbsp; but the people making the rules can afford to pay for all the education they need without even thinking about it.&nbsp; so... they don't.</p> <p>we need more politician accountabilty.</p> <p>as always. </p> http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/protesters-take-over-uc-berkeley-building#post-30520 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:24:10 +0000 wyrdling 30520@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <p>i have to agree with you here:</p> <p>&quot;Personally, I hope it affects many people horribly and fast so we can<br />wake the fuck up and turn this around while there is still (may be) a<br />glimmer of hope.&quot;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>people don't change their behavior en masse unless they feel threatened.</p> <p>so, i guess, better into the fire than the slow boil.&nbsp; at least in one case we'll be notice the heat fast enough to jump. </p>