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ElsaElsa Boards Topic: Pluto squares and Trust http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ ElsaElsa Boards Topic: Pluto squares and Trust en Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:54:33 +0000 Lunalie on "Pluto squares and Trust" http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/pluto-squares-and-trust#post-8631 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:15:24 +0000 Lunalie 8631@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ Thanks Bella, See the problem is, I am a jealous freak. And it doesn't make sense because I'm with a Scorpio and I'm quite aware of Scorpio's loyal (and even possessive) tendencies! I guess to me, I've experience loss through deception and sudden detachments (Uranus opp. Venus) so many times that I'm afraid of this happening again. Although I have a Pluto square Moon, instead of controlling my partner, I tend to heavily try and control myself! It's ridiculous sometimes! Haha! I guess you're right about trying to take it easy. I'm going through A LOT of transits right now. Not only Pluto has been messing with me be Saturn (return), Neptune and Uranus (in 12th) as well!  Anonymous on "Pluto squares and Trust" http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/pluto-squares-and-trust#post-8627 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:08:49 +0000 Anonymous 8627@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ Hi Lunalie, First - interesting your venus-uranus conjunction as a guy I dated recently and a boyfriend last year both had this so says something about the committment I actually want! Secondly, re: your comment about doing whatever it takes to fix yourself, if it is not too cheeky to have an opinion on a stranger :) - relax!  Am sure you are absolutely fine, exactly where you are mean't to be.  That is alot of pressure to put on yourself.  You can only ever make decisions according to your development at any one time so there are no mistakes.  Give yourself a break!  Your fears are not based on reality but they can affect reality - I have done this and its silly - reality is - you have a great guy so enjoy and good luck to you. Lunalie on "Pluto squares and Trust" http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/pluto-squares-and-trust#post-8622 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:00:33 +0000 Lunalie 8622@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ Bella, I've supposedly held a part of me too so I can walk away! Although I think this is because of my Uranus opp. Venus natal aspect. I've had long distance relationships and later on, I tend to pick men based on "disposability." One of my best friends is similar, though now she is in a stable relationship and as am I. Because I am in a good relationship with a non-"disposable" man (He's been my best friend of 4 years before we dated), I tend to freak out so much because this is a man I am very much afraid to lose. I guess you can say this is why I started this thread. I just want to do whatever it takes to fix myself so I won't do anything idiotic to lose him :( Anonymous on "Pluto squares and Trust" http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/pluto-squares-and-trust#post-8621 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:55:13 +0000 Anonymous 8621@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ Alicia, That rings a bell - have pluto square moon too and am uberfriendly but my real friends that I confide in are few and the bonds are sacrosanct.  Also it was pointed out to me that in relationships I have always held out a part of me - so that I can walk away if necessary and I have done that - seen something and no matter what I was feeling the week before - been able to just up and leave with no turning back.   Lunalie on "Pluto squares and Trust" http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/pluto-squares-and-trust#post-8614 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:22:31 +0000 Lunalie 8614@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ Thanks for sharing your stories, everyone! dolce: Suspicion and insecurity issues are a biggie for me as well. With all other aspects of my chart (such as my Saturn/Neptune square), I battle with feelings of worthlessness all the time, and having a natal Pluto square Moon makes these insecure feelings worse! I'm still learning how to cope with this. It's good to know that you are getting better at dealing with it. Voicing it out DOES feel good rather than resorting to subconscious/unconscious plutonian manipluation.   lindsey: Hmmm it's not so much that which I am thinking about but what you wrote is really interesting. Having a 12th house sun in Aries, I'm very much intense, yet this intensity is hidden from me. Often times, I come on strong and it drives people away. Also, I've encountered people who would really separate themselves from me because I can intuit their thoughts/feelings and I acknowledge not all of them like that. For a long time I've been called, "Weird" or "scary" and I can understand - because I figure people out without even consciously trying!   Overall, I'm trying to figure out the root of my trust problem. Elsa once told me that a lot of my jealousy is projected as my Pluto is in the 7th house. To a certain extent, I do believe it is. Although I've never cheated on any of my partners, I still never trust myself to be faithful at all, especially at a time like this where I'm very down on my self worth (going through Saturn Return and a hard Pluto transit to my sun).  I guess right now it's all about finding this "worth" I am looking for and believing I'm not as weak/bad as I think I am. Right now, I can't quite see it. dolce on "Pluto squares and Trust" http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/pluto-squares-and-trust#post-7419 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:23:17 +0000 dolce 7419@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ Lindsey, Yes, for sure!  That happens to me quite often, actually.  And I also have Saturn sq. Venus.   In fact, my Venus is aspected by all of the outer planets.  Gah! I think what I especially liked about that article is knowing how strong the expressions of attention can appear to other people, when I don't really realize that's how I come off, but it certainly explained a lot. lindsey on "Pluto squares and Trust" http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/pluto-squares-and-trust#post-7417 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:43:04 +0000 lindsey 7417@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ Hey Dolce, Oh, I just timed out on a response I was writing to you.  So I'll be quick here...thanks a lot for the link.   It hit home...also the vulnerability of childhood.   Lots to draw from there... Have you found this aspect (perhaps) drawing jealousy towards you from others?  This has been hard on me.  Men are attracted to you....but you have nothing at hand, at least not anything satisfying....women are jealous for what they perceive you have or can get...so you end up....no man and no friends to back you.     I think I've worked through a lot of it...but still more work.....  I also have Saturn sq. Venus.   dolce on "Pluto squares and Trust" http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/pluto-squares-and-trust#post-7407 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:26:47 +0000 dolce 7407@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ And Lindsey, Venus-Pluto article for you: <a href="http://chirotic.wordpress.com/2009/04/08/venus-pluto-love-and-survival/" rel="nofollow">http://chirotic.wordpress.com/2009/04/08/venus-pluto-love-and-survival/</a>   The other article links to the Venus Pluto one, as well as Pluto aspecting other planets in more detail.  Hope these are helpful! dolce on "Pluto squares and Trust" http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/pluto-squares-and-trust#post-7405 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:06:56 +0000 dolce 7405@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ Lunalie, here's an interesting article on Pluto aspecting personal planets: <a href="http://chirotic.wordpress.com/2009/04/28/pluto-and-the-personal-planets-revisited/" rel="nofollow">http://chirotic.wordpress.com/2009/04/28/pluto-and-the-personal-planets-revisited/</a> dolce on "Pluto squares and Trust" http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/pluto-squares-and-trust#post-7339 Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:22:49 +0000 dolce 7339@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ Lindsey, I too have Pluto trine Venus, and you voiced some of my experiences quite well.