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ElsaElsa Boards Topic: Should Zelaya be reinstated as President in Honduras? http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ ElsaElsa Boards Topic: Should Zelaya be reinstated as President in Honduras? en Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:56:30 +0000 denamaria on "[poll] Should Zelaya be reinstated as President in Honduras? <img align='absmiddle' border='0' src='http://boards.elsaelsa.com/my-plugins/bbpress-polls/icon.png' />" http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/should-zelaya-be-reinstated-as-president-in-honduras/page/2#post-18380 Fri, 04 Sep 2009 06:25:12 +0000 denamaria 18380@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ Here is the latest news....it is becoming apparent why the other countries, especially Costa Rica, which is baffling to everyone, stood by Mel Zelaya going back in knowing how corrupt and a drug lord he is....tomorrow there is a worldwide march against Hugo Chavez staying in power. Regular Honduran Presidential elections are scheduled for November 29. Hondurans are hoping to have free elections and a new president. According to the constitution, President Micheletti is ineligible to ever hold the office of president again. The EU has cut off over 90 million dollars in aid to Honduras. The US has cut off military aid and suspended diplomatic visas. All joint US/Honduran narco/military operations have been suspended. Labor unions across the planet have demanded that longshoremen refuse to unload Honduran fruit and coffee cargos. Between this and the US tourism warnings, the Honduran economy is taking a huge hit. In spite of all of this punishment, Honduras is standing tall. Everyday that they do not cave into international pressure brings them one day closer to their Presidential elections. Over and over Hondurans told me that they would rather have six months of hell, than a lifetime of communism. In the two months since Manuel Zelaya was arrested, Daniel Ortega has declared that Nicaragua needs to change their constitution in order to extend his stay in power.   Oscar Arias, the president of Costa Rica and the man that Hillary Clinton put in charge of mediations between Zelaya and the Micheletti administration came out last week with similar demands on the Costa Rican constitution. There are lessons to be learned here and there are friendships that should not be forgotten. Those of us who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it. Those of us who do not pay accurate attention to the plight of our friends and neighbors may not fare much better. Jilly on "[poll] Should Zelaya be reinstated as President in Honduras? <img align='absmiddle' border='0' src='http://boards.elsaelsa.com/my-plugins/bbpress-polls/icon.png' />" http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/should-zelaya-be-reinstated-as-president-in-honduras/page/2#post-18379 Fri, 04 Sep 2009 05:03:15 +0000 Jilly 18379@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <img src="/my-plugins/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/icon_confused.gif" /> Elsa on "[poll] Should Zelaya be reinstated as President in Honduras? <img align='absmiddle' border='0' src='http://boards.elsaelsa.com/my-plugins/bbpress-polls/icon.png' />" http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/should-zelaya-be-reinstated-as-president-in-honduras/page/2#post-18348 Fri, 04 Sep 2009 01:28:57 +0000 Elsa 18348@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jTirTr7eUMzFRXPVAD3Qq12O6MPgD9AG6EVO0">US cuts aid to Honduras in support of ex-leader</a> The Obama administration on Thursday cut off all aid to the Honduran government over the ouster of President Manuel Zelaya, making permanent a temporary suspension of U.S. assistance put in place after he was deposed in June. The State Department made the announcement as Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton was meeting with Zelaya. The action cuts more than $31 million in non-humanitarian assistance, including $11 million remaining in a more than a $200 million five-year assistance program run by the Millenium Challenge Corporation. <snip> Clinton made the decision even though she did not determine that Zelaya's ouster met the U.S. legal definition of a military coup d'etat. Such a finding would have forced the administration to cut off assistance and had been urged by some leading lawmakers, including Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. <snip> Clinton did not make that finding because Zelaya's ouster involved "the participation of both the legislative and judicial branches of government as well as the military," Kelly said.   Ok. So if it is not a coup, then why are we cutting the aid?? How come nothing makes sense anymore?    Jilly on "[poll] Should Zelaya be reinstated as President in Honduras? <img align='absmiddle' border='0' src='http://boards.elsaelsa.com/my-plugins/bbpress-polls/icon.png' />" http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/should-zelaya-be-reinstated-as-president-in-honduras/page/2#post-13224 Mon, 27 Jul 2009 03:42:28 +0000 Jilly 13224@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ aha that makes total sense thanks. Elsa on "[poll] Should Zelaya be reinstated as President in Honduras? <img align='absmiddle' border='0' src='http://boards.elsaelsa.com/my-plugins/bbpress-polls/icon.png' />" http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/should-zelaya-be-reinstated-as-president-in-honduras/page/2#post-13222 Mon, 27 Jul 2009 02:48:21 +0000 Elsa 13222@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ Jupiter rules publishing and it is in Aquarius conjunct NEPTUNE. Obscure (Neptune) the truth (Jupiter) for social agenda (Aquarius) and this goes for ALL sides of course. Anecdote is Virgo (discernment) but is also fallible. Jilly on "[poll] Should Zelaya be reinstated as President in Honduras? <img align='absmiddle' border='0' src='http://boards.elsaelsa.com/my-plugins/bbpress-polls/icon.png' />" http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/should-zelaya-be-reinstated-as-president-in-honduras/page/2#post-13218 Mon, 27 Jul 2009 01:52:29 +0000 Jilly 13218@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ I thought once that Pluto went out of Sadge that it would be easier to get the truth from the media but I guess I don't understand Pluto transits. Elsa on "[poll] Should Zelaya be reinstated as President in Honduras? <img align='absmiddle' border='0' src='http://boards.elsaelsa.com/my-plugins/bbpress-polls/icon.png' />" http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/should-zelaya-be-reinstated-as-president-in-honduras/page/2#post-13217 Mon, 27 Jul 2009 01:42:13 +0000 Elsa 13217@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ Public opinion seems to be turning on this, I am greatly relieved <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204886304574311083177158174.html?mod=googlenews_wsj">wall street journal </a> From the article:   Let’s review some fundamental facts that cannot be disputed: • The Supreme Court, by a 15-0 vote, found that Mr. Zelaya had acted illegally by proceeding with an unconstitutional “referendum,” and it ordered the Armed Forces to arrest him. The military executed the arrest order of the Supreme Court because it was the appropriate agency to do so under Honduran law. • Eight of the 15 votes on the Supreme Court were cast by members of Mr. Zelaya’s own Liberal Party. Strange that the pro-Zelaya propagandists who talk about the rule of law forget to mention the unanimous Supreme Court decision with a majority from Mr. Zelaya’s own party. Thus, Mr. Zelaya’s arrest was at the instigation of Honduran’s constitutional and civilian authorities—not the military. • The Honduran Congress voted overwhelmingly in support of removing Mr. Zelaya. The vote included a majority of members of Mr. Zelaya’s Liberal Party. • Independent government and religious leaders and institutions—including the Supreme Electoral Tribunal, the Administrative Law Tribunal, the independent Human Rights Ombudsman, four-out-of-five political parties, the two major presidential candidates of the Liberal and National Parties, and Honduras’s Catholic Cardinal—all agreed that Mr. Zelaya had acted illegally. • The constitution expressly states in Article 239 that any president who seeks to amend the constitution and extend his term is automatically disqualified and is no longer president. There is no express provision for an impeachment process in the Honduran constitution. But the Supreme Court’s unanimous decision affirmed that Mr. Zelaya was attempting to extend his term with his illegal referendum. Thus, at the time of his arrest he was no longer—as a matter of law, as far as the Supreme Court was concerned—president of Honduras. • Days before his arrest, Mr. Zelaya had his chief of staff illegally withdraw millions of dollars in cash from the Central Bank of Honduras. • A day or so before his arrest, Mr. Zelaya led a violent mob to overrun an Air Force base to seize referendum ballots that had been shipped into Honduras by Hugo Chávez’s Venezuelan government. • I succeeded Mr. Zelaya under the Honduran constitution’s order of succession (our vice president had resigned before all of this began so that he could run for president). This is and has always been an entirely civilian government. The military was ordered by an entirely civilian Supreme Court to arrest Mr. Zelaya. His removal was ordered by an entirely civilian and elected Congress. To suggest that Mr. Zelaya was ousted by means of a military coup is demonstrably false.   Jilly on "[poll] Should Zelaya be reinstated as President in Honduras? <img align='absmiddle' border='0' src='http://boards.elsaelsa.com/my-plugins/bbpress-polls/icon.png' />" http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/should-zelaya-be-reinstated-as-president-in-honduras/page/2#post-12554 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:35:26 +0000 Jilly 12554@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ hmm Leo S Node conj midheaven Elsa on "[poll] Should Zelaya be reinstated as President in Honduras? <img align='absmiddle' border='0' src='http://boards.elsaelsa.com/my-plugins/bbpress-polls/icon.png' />" http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/should-zelaya-be-reinstated-as-president-in-honduras/page/2#post-12552 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:06:12 +0000 Elsa 12552@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ <a href="http://www.noticias24.com/actualidad/noticia/67822/gobierno-de-micheletti-exhibe-estatuas-que-se-mando-a-hacer-zelaya/">Look at the statues Zelaya had made of himself</a>   No, I don't think this guy intends to step down. <img src="http://doc.noticias24.com/0907/zeladk1907.jpg" /> He wants to be displayed along with  famous Presidents of Honduras from the 18th century.   ::rolls eyes:: I sure hope this country snaps out of it and opts to support DEMOCRACY. If we don't who will?   satori on "[poll] Should Zelaya be reinstated as President in Honduras? <img align='absmiddle' border='0' src='http://boards.elsaelsa.com/my-plugins/bbpress-polls/icon.png' />" http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/should-zelaya-be-reinstated-as-president-in-honduras/page/2#post-12299 Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:52:14 +0000 satori 12299@http://boards.elsaelsa.com/ my thoughts and prayers are with those in Honduras today, and those whose hearts are in Honduras today.