I heard that in a movie, is it true?

So much bullshit. This kind of thing makes me crazy.

What did they mean, do you think?

kr, if you didn't like that, the next line will really piss you off.

"Sometimes this is the only talent a beautiful woman has..."

The guy is talking about his wife, I think. I paused it because, come on...

I just saw your edit... question.

I am not sure but I think he is going to say that his beautiful wife is jealous and insecure because she's one dimensional.

I don't know anyone that goes through life unchallenged.

I'll find out and report back.  What a dialogue, lol.  He may be a murderer too, we're waiting to know.  We, meaning me, myself and I. :)

I'm with Caroline. Even if we don't see or recognize the challenges of others, they are there just the same.

This is exactly the kind of b*llsh*t I disagree with, but YES, in our society that is largely true.

Beautiful women get free passes. This reminds me of the whole angelina/jeniffer/brad pitt triangle. Angelina and Brad Pitt have an affair - a PUBLIC one - and if she weren't considered to be so beautiful/sexual/mysterious, she'd have received (deserved) a public OUTCRY for her involvement with Brad Pitt. But nope, instead, what ensues is a debate on who's hotter and who Brad should've stayed with (based on who was hotter).

Morals, your duty to your spouse, keeping vows were not raised one bit.

This is how our society is wired and it is total crap.

I'd change it to a person with a strong personality has the greatest chance of going through life unchallenged. Speaking from personal experience, life has thrown some challenges at me but most people have/do not and it's because I go my OWN way very stubbornly.

Um, being a woman that is rather attractive, and was even named 'beautiful one' in another language; from where I'm standing it's not true. Granted, a beautiful vindictive, back stabbing woman might go thru a lot of her life unchallenged, as no one wants to tangle with her. But in my experiences, physical beauty *is* a challenge in and of itself, and one that must be overcome, and met with courage.

Being attractive means that I get challenged by men and women alike. Men who think they can simply grab at me or make lewd comments to my face. And women who probably wish I was six feet under, so they, in their insecurities could feel better about themselves. Being beautiful in what many call an 'exotic' way, simply complicates things more, as I find myself on the bad end of many sexually rude comments about my skin color, and sex life.

I have to work harder to show people I am intelligent sometimes, and even then, my brain might be an unwelcome surprise to some. I also have to work at correcting assumptions that my life is easy because I'm pretty. Granted, I could make my life easier by being some man's mistress, and living the life of a party girl but....that's not me. That's not my path at all. And having the ability to attract most men, and some women into my life makes things all the more lonely when I cannot attract the one I want most. Maybe I'm not that pretty after all. *wistful/mysterious smile*

I think I understand what the person in the quote means, but there are many different types of 'beautiful women' running around this planet challenging it at every corner. ; )

He's talking about his wife. He's ugly ( he says) and not that smart but he's rich and the money is undeserved. He married his wife when she was 20, she is now 30 and he is 57.  She's beautiful but insecure because this is all she's got and there is always someone younger... more beautiful.

It's not a very good movie. :)   But I do think many beautiful, rich people (celeb types) are surrounded by sycophants, to their detriment.

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful. 

I can't remember the commercial or movie that I heard that line, but I used to relate to it... when I was younger.  Now I'm older and am not the little hotty I was back then. *smirk*

I was never what you would consider beautiful, but I was attractive, always so.  Once I was raped by a stranger. 

They say rape is a crime of dominance  and violence but he kept mentioning my ass over and over again.  So I feel like all good looks did was bring me to the attention of a predator.

So to unchallenged I say...Bullshit.

LOL @Carrie :)

I'm sorry @brizo :(.

@Mina, although I absolutely respect where you are coming from and appreciate your point of view, (and even, to some extent, first handedly agree with your experiences), I've got to add one thing that supports the quote with which Elsa started this thread.

I was not the cute baby nor 'attractive' when I was younger. I was only appreciated because I was smart (did my homework), because I was respectful (so teachers of course liked me), and because I was fun (so the playground was always fun with me around).

When I grew up I somehow grew into something attractive. All of a sudden I had people approaching me from everywhere - I was noticed, a somebody, and became that which others covet.

Social doors just opened. The stark contrast of this to what I had to experience as a child/teen has made me acutely aware of how differently we treat the attractive and the unattractive. Therefore, in this regard, I'd have to personally attest to beautiful people getting way more free passes than non-beautiful people do...

And I will say this too...remember that thread Elsa started about the girl who never made it home? She was absolutely gorgeous. 

If you looked at murders/rapes/missing persons I'll bet you will find the majority are extremely attractive women.

Deb Deb said it best when she said "covet".  Some men covet, and some men take.

debdeb--I can understand your perspective too. :)

It's been my experience that the free passes either compromised my sense of self, or were worthless to me. But I have Venus/Saturn so that might be why. I was the smart skinny shrimpy one in grade school. And I had glasses, braces, and bad skin until after high school so I tended to focus more on academics, and being respectful too. Come to think of it, I still don't do much to fluff myself up. Meh, I'd rather read a book.

((brizo)) I have also attracted my share of slightly less dangerous predators, so my looks don't really bring the best of everything into my life. Sometimes it's the worst that follow me home, or to my car.

Lousy movie but good conversation!  It was an okay idea but both the script and the acting just couldn't pull it off.

I've had things that men tried to hand to me, unearned.  I remember a teacher correcting my math once, for a test.  It wasn't fair, and I told him it made me feel uncomfortable, and I'd be happy with what I earned

@Brizo, that makes a lot of sense :(.

@Mina, I've got venus saturn too! So maybe that's why we both downplay what others might view as a 'present' from fate or God.

Yes I agree that this conversation is interesting :). Because of my own experiences, it infuriates me to no end to witness people putting beauty above morals and all else in everyday experiences. GRR.

Urgh! bad acting or script can kill an otherwise good movie. : (

brizo--I think I'm starting to remember things I'd managed to tell myself weren't real and never happened all this time, some from college. Le sigh, humans.....

True on the downplay, debdeb. For myself, I think I am quite nicely made, and I am thankful for it behind closed doors alone (12th house venus/chart ruler). And it will make me happy to see another man smile when he looks at me with warmth and affection like I had once. I only care about being beautiful to myself, friends, and him.

The beautiful woman was Italian and she was beautiful but the way she played this insecure victim-in-mourning just cannot be played by and Italian, yanno? I mean for 5 minutes, as a set up, right before we spring to life like a cheetah, yeah. But for an entire hour and a half? Not plausible!

I think they get it easier in some ways - but also yeah, they have to deal with people who assume things about them too.

But I mean, yeah, if beauty is ALL you have, that's not good. But I don't think beauty makes things super easy either.

It's just a different set of problems. If beauty solved everything, well, a lot more people would be satisfied with plastic surgery.

Oh my gosh, what crap.

I have seen the oppositite of multi-dimensional in what one could consider the opposite of "conventional beauty" - whatever that is in any given age.

Just another freaking generalization to foster comfort zones that have no foundation.

Ugh. Just ugh. 

@egiyablu and @michele, hear hear.

@mina, that's really good of you :). I've got the general saturn-venus traits too, but unfortunately I'm a leo and I'm young, so in some ways I'd not mind getting the appreciation from more than 1 person (but this has nothing to do with being FAITHFUL to one person, which to me is not a problem).

@brizo, on coveting, rape, beauty, etc. I am sure we could pull up so many examples (many relating to astrology, too). I'd not want to change the subject of elsa's thread but I agree with you that there is a pattern there, and it is an infuriating one.

Have any of you heard of the sound of disdain from a man's voice? It is the sound of him subtly bashing a beautiful woman for being nothing except beautiful.

Maybe this only happens in the academic community (where looks can actually sabotage you quite seriously), but I don't know. I've heard it when I was a bit younger and I can honestly tell you that it almost made me feel more legitimate and 'real' for being a hard worker/mover-and-shaker in REAL things, other than on focusing on my looks.

As much as I feel that our society as a whole rewards the shallow and the beautiful, I can say with confidence that men [of quality] can TELL the difference between women and between women of quality. I've heard men compare those who're generally found attractive, and what you see is that they'll put a somewhat cute or pretty woman with BRAINS and ABILITIES on a pedestal, and a hot or VERY attractive woman on the opposite end of that spectrum. (@egiyablu)

The point is, yes, if you're just beautiful, you not only get disrespected for it, but you'll also be put down and be seen as nothing but a mere plaything. I shudder when I think of parents out there who are not actively teaching their kids (daughters) to develop hobbies, sharpen their skills at something, pursue a career etc. You need these things as armour to GET THROUGH THIS LIFE!

I think this is something like having an easily aspected Chart... or easy aspects in certain areas. Some choose to work it to their advantage & grow, but others will cruise along on what they've got...

The end result is with the individual.

No I don't think it is true.. I think that it is the same as steryotyping someone by hair colour or skin colour or birth sign.

I think this is what people say when they need an excuse for their behavior - dehumanize the woman, make her seem less than a complete human being so they do not have to deal with their ugliness, so they can feel superior, or that she is just an object...

Lots of people subscribe to this idea, and strike preemptively - and how many beautiful women do we know who have been through hell and back, and fight to stay strong?

stereotyping even.. pesky fingers.

Lol, Elsa :)

What debdeb said.

Maybe the first half. But the problem is that when she is really beautiful that woman is too young to really take advantage of her beauty and there are all kinds of social proscriptions against this anyway. By the time a woman is thirty she is not all that beautful and this downhill trend contiues for the rest of her life. Beauty contests are extremely short victories.

I don't know, I'd call that a challenge. Especially if that's the only thing you're valued for.

I think it's true that good-looking people are often assumed to have strong moral character, and so are not challenged in the way a repulsive looking person is. Humans are shallow. Not all the time, but often.

No it is not true. I have known beautiful women who had to deal with tragedy, sickness, and other disasters. No one is immune from life. Does being beautiful guarantee healthy children? No. Does it guarantee a loving, faithful partner? No. Does it guarantee wealth? No.

It's total rubbish and just reading the gossip columns will confirm that, even if our own experiences don't!

I was considered very beautiful but I've had plenty of challenges - and yes having been an ugly duckling who became a swan I do know the advantages of beauty, first hand. And I used them, to the full. (And now I'm the other side of that, I know how much easier my life would be if I only still had my beauty)

All the beautiful women I know have met challenges. My most beautiful best friend, at 17/18/19, went on to commit suicide at 23: she was quite stunning. Nothing is guaranteed, by having beauty

Reminds me of something my husband told me.  He said that when he was single he would approach the most beautiful woman at the party, bar, wherever....and usually went home with her.  His theory was that most men are gonna be intimidated and so the prettiest girl at the party might be kinda lonely.  Of course he was very handsome and Italian so maybe that is why he didn't go home alone.

@dorchid, I know what you mean. However, have you heard of studies confirming that people with symmetrical faces (scientifically beautiful faces) are perceived to be or ARE more intelligent? (I'm not sure which of the two was discussed, can't remember). This might extend to the perception others might have of beautiful peoples' character, too.

And anyway I vote for Elsa telling us whether or not this is true. She is the astrology sage, after all! :D

Total crap. I have to work three times harder to prove myself and get vehemently pushed back to square one the second I make a tiny mistake. The only free stuff I get is groping and cat calls.