Empty nesters, menopause, 2nd saturn returns . . .What's in your 5th house?
posted 2 years ago in General
It was a year for me in October. I'm on the other end of the spectrum of menopausal women in that I don't feel 12.... more like 25
As you can imagine, that's good in some ways, not in others (depending on your partner, if you have one, etc...)
Anyway, I'm totally fine with becoming a crone. A little sad, but hey, that's life. And Daisy, you're so right -- there are a lot of pluses to it. I'm a Cap rising, so the aging gracefully has been pretty true. My Uranus and Jupiter are in the 6th, near the DSC, and I think that has helped me a lot health-wise (knock on wood). So far I've gotten away with just using natural supplements, thank God. Maybe it's just that I've been lucky, but I don't dwell on my aches and pains, sweats and insomnia!, and more than anything -- try to keep a positive attitude.
Must be nice! I'm 54 and still having regular periods. GYN doc says I'm his 2nd case in 40 years of practice. I'm a freak.
Daisy, I wondered aloud once what it would be like to regain the percentage of my brain that constantly thought about men/sexual attractiveness and all that rot. It's nice to be having my pre puberty female back again. So I don't think you're weird at all. By the way, Neptune in the 5th.
Interesting - I have Uranus ruling the fifth and also have Mercury and Saturn there. About ten years ago I decided I'd quite like an early menopause, and anyone I mentioned it to thought I was weird! Anyway I'm 47 now and my periods have started going wonky this year, along with my sanity so......think i'll probably just be normal. ::sigh::
Due to instant menopause from a complete hysterectomy in December, I've gone completely insane. The hot flashes! The night sweats! The lack of libido when I am finally getting laid on a more than regular basis after being celibate for the last four years of my marriage!
Those who are suffering: get yourself to iherb.com and order a big ol' bottle of Maca Root. I take two capsules a day, and it does ease the whole nine yards. It doesn't make it disappear, but it makes it easier. Takes about two weeks to build up in your system, but I noticed some relief before that.
As for my fifth house...Pluto is tap dancing in and out of it. I have nothing natally, so I am at the whim of the transits. I am not amused.
I have my south node and vertex in my 5th house. I have no idea what that means, if anyone has an insight to lend to it.
I've had four kids, and my older two (daughters) have moved out. My younger two (sons) are 16 and 18, and I don't see them leaving any time soon. They're not ready, and they've become kind of protective of me in the past year or so. Their father died almost four years ago, after we bitterly divorced. I'm still single and not concerned with anything but my kids' success, and my personal satisfaction and spiritual growth. I'm not looking forward to an empty nest, but I won't hold anyone back either. Like everything else that's come to pass, I'll simply have to adjust when it happens. I think I'm equally concerned though, for what will happen to me when my menses cease, as I am when the kids leave home. Aging sucks !
(((((Reiki heart)))))) transition does suck. But at least you have time to prepare for it, and know what is coming. For me I had to look deep inside to try to find the me, that was burried by the external world of obligations, what I failed to address the stars did. Don't fight the feeling.
Thanks so much, Daisy; very appreciated. I just get wistful sometimes, for when my kids were small and I had a marriage. Things are different, and I've never embraced the changes. I really have to work to find the good in it, you know ? I grok you about the obligations vs. self thing, absolutely. I'm still pretty deep in it, with having to fend for myself and my kids, so I try to check in with myself and deal with the urgent 'me' stuff too. Balance.
12 years ago I divorced my 2nd husband, my girls where going to graduate high school that next year and the year after that. I stayed in that marriage only because of them, afraid to be on my own, afraid of everything, afraid to leave, afraid to stay. But I divorced him anyway, where I went wrong, is I jumped right into a rebound relationship to allay the fear. Now that marriage is over too. this time I sold my house, sold our business, quit my job, signed myself back into school. Did I take the initative, no still not yet, it was only because this 3rd husband had an affair, I don't mean a ooopps I did somebody flash in the pan thing, I mean he was ready to marry this broad. It happened just over 2 years ago, and lots has happened. I know I had to get stronger and transcend above my fear, my role in life. I thought I was gonna die so I had to make serious choice about my future. It is so MFing tough but turning out to be so worth it. Just keep hangin and growing. We don't grow old, we just keep growing!!!!!
hey daisy and gang here...just wanted you to know i'm with you....early in my case...i also find it liberating and have a uranus ruled 5th house as well....
with all my pisces, always subject to such moods/emotions anyway and i really don't miss PMS..... this seems easier..momentary insanity but doesn't compare to the raging emotions before
a few trials healthwise....ph balance a bit whacky and i'm trying various things...including evening primrose.....also weight gain.......humph....that's a bit of challenge....i don't really get excited about cottage cheese and fruit for lunch :(
walking and swimming enormously helpful
thanks for posting daisy...i think still some stigma and embarrasement for women to write openly this topic
I too find it liberating, Lindsey. The idea of your pre-puberty self being returned to you is proving to be true for me, and I am loving it. While I feel ready to be done with the transition part, I try to stay cognizant of the fact that it will be done soon enough, and every stage has it's pluses and minuses, so I'd better not wish any part of my life away! But overall, it's a great thing.
As I'm taking my black cohosh and St. John's Wort with breakfast, I see this post...how timely!
Perimenopause has not been fun for me - I'm not liking my pre-puberty self returning..seems to be fits and starts every month or so, then not at all...
Yoga, soy, creams, and the above named herbs all help, but the mind games are what really suck. One day you are "normal" and the next is an emotional roller coaster, and I'm saying "WTF, really?".
One thing I have noticed though, time...and how not to waste it, what is important, and to try to stay in the moment as much as possible...
Crackers -Thankfully no hot flashes here, just small power surges...The herbs really helped my "blues" when it came to the emotions..My nurse practitioner wanted to put me on Xanax for the panic attacks - uh, no thanks...So I decided to do the SJW and what an improvement..
Also, there is a whole Yoga series for peri and menopause anxiety/depression issues..That was a god-send, and I highly recommend it...
Vertex, North Node, and Moon in Scorpio, plus Scorpio on the cusp of the 5th. Also, Saturn in Sag is sitting on the edge of the 5th/6th depending on the Koch or Equal house systems.
The hot flashes don't come as often, but now I feel sweaty, and wet all of the time. YUK! I don't take anything for the symptoms.
I'm childless, yet at the age of 53, I'm still having a period, and horrible cramps -- what for? I've noticed that PMS is more intense, accompanied by headaches, and the need to remain in bed for a couple of days.
I have my second Saturn return to my 5th house, within 2 1/2 years, and hopefully that will be the end of the matter.
Charioteer@brizo:
Well said! I could not have said it any better!
I'm so glad that now I can concentrate on my life, and MY importance on this planet, instead of the giving, giving, and giving, multi-tasking, sacrificial drain that it takes to satisfy the needs of others.
Once, and for all, as a female, it's feels great to have control over my mind, and body, and leave the dictates of society behind, like a "fart in the wind."
Also have Neptune in Scorpio (5th).
ASHE'
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I think I have the gift of Uranus. I have expressed an opinion to a few who will listen, they think I am a little different could in be my 5th house Uranus.
So in the spirit of anonimity here goes. I went to work one day all pissed off. "What wrong Deb?" Oh I got my dammed period. OH? Yeah well you know it's been 9 months since my last one, I was this fricken close to be done with all the shit and now I am not in menopause. "WHAT! Your upset that your not in menopause?" Your damm straight I pissed off I am not in menopause. "OOOOOK Deb let's hear it."
It's like this menopause is nothing but puberty backwards. Remember when you where a kid, no rags, no tags, no pads. No biological clock, no sexual tension. No nothing, you could be friends with someone just because you liked them. Wanna play in the sandbox with me today. You didn't have to worry if they wanted to jump your bones, or steal your man, or borrow your dress or lipstick or none of that grown up crap that makes us crazy. You where like a dog, a kid, just happy being alive. who cared if you had b-o or a bad hair day. If you did have a bad day, it was just that a bad day. Well don't you see I was that close to being free of the constraints of adulthood, I was that close to being a happy go lucky kid again wanting nothing more than a new red schwinn with a basket on the front, and today it is gone.
Well that has come and gone, and I have made it a year and you know what, I was wrong. It's even better than I imagined. Yes I do feel 12 again. I am single, my girls are newly married, I am back in school, I am a little kid again, only better and smarter. I am free to be myself, only with more intelligence and self confidence I had back then. Even if I chose to have sex, I can't get pregnant, and its all natural, its called menopause. This is going to be the best childhood I never had. My friends think I nuts, I think its 5th house Uranus.
How do you see your self when its time for your passage?