So  after reading Solaire's board post on retrograde planets

http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/retrograde-planets-2

I started thinking about a close friend of mine who has Saturn Rx natally. Having quite a bit of leo in my chart and a nurturing complex, when I see her give up and end things (or never really try) because of her inner criticism and saturn complex I just want to hug and constantly give her a pep talk, but I know this might not be always what she needs.

So...for all folks out there with natal saturn rx how do you experience your saturn rx, have you been able to silence that inner naysayer (and most importantly how?), what do you wish your friends close to you would offer at your lowest times, how do you need support from those closest?

warmth,

sev

I could write a book on this but it's 2am so I'll try to help tomorrow SevSev!

I have Saturn Rx conjunct Mars Rx in Cancer, and both mashed up in a few T-squares with my Sun/Venus in Cap and Jupiter in Libra. I find it hard to get projects going and even harder to follow through, but I agree the most difficult thing is to convince myself that the thing can be done to my perfectionsit standards, and is therefore worth doing at all!

The inner naysayer - yep, got one of those alright!

:) Thanks BP! Look forward to reading more tomorrow!

I have Saturn Rx in Gemini 4th house. mmm, I don't think I'm a naysayer.

There's this:

http://www.throughnightsfire.com/LoveandSaturnRetrograde.html

But, I'm not so sure how much of THAT crap I believe.

I'm disciplined..now..wasn't so much when I was younger. I've read it is a good placement for a teacher.

Your lesson is one of patience and steady application of hard work as you overcome the impatient urge to cut corners. Everything you gain will be hard won but you will eventually succeed, win the respect of others and actually can shine where you faced difficulties before

That makes a lot of sense to me. From here: http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/retrogradeplanets.htm#satrx

This:

There are people with five or more retrograde planets in their birth chart, but that's not a reason to be scared, though. It doesn't mean that you're cursed or anything, it's just that those areas of your life will require to be sorted out with patience.

Saturn retrograde is by far the toughest. Being the planet of karma itself, you will always feel inadequacy, as if you don't belong anywhere, or like you're not good enough for anything. It's really complex and varies according to in which house is the planet located

From here: http://www.squidoo.com/FreeBirthChartInterpretation

Personally, I think it plays out that I am in the middle of a "learning" lifetime. I've always been a study geek and that goes along nicely with my Scorp merc in the 9th. Looks up at a BP..researcher..so, maybe reflected with her too.

I like to study how things work..how they tick. And, it has been hard to live up to my own expectations.--not that I've done that successfully.

There's a thread on the boards about it too. I'll look it up for you.

My oldest son has Saturn Stationary in the natal chart. I've never seen anyone with that. So, I'm watching him to see how it plays out. He is pretty undisciplined right now. But, tr. Saturn will make two more passes over his ASC this year. I'm hoping that lines him out a little (but safely).



oh, well, apparently there are quite a few where Saturn Rx is mentioned in regard to the natal chart.

http://www.elsaelsa.com/search/?cx=016194111182231779796%3A8y8mejv4uky&cof=FORID%3A10&q=saturn+retrograde+in+the+natal+chart&sa.x=0&sa.y=0

There ya go. I review stuff a lot too. Information wise. More than once.

I just noticed I had Saturn retrograde the other day. Saturn in Taurus in the 5th house. Still not sure of all the implications, but I can say I am always my own worst critic and the hardest on myself. As far as what I'd want friends to do - leave me alone. I totally isolate during the hard times.

I have Saturn rx in Libra trine my 1st house Moon and Mercury and.....I haven't found a way to silence my own worst enemy and critic (my inner voice) yet. Having it trine my Moon also causes some seriously low bouts of depression to creep into my highly emotional feelings frequently, especially around the time of the month (moon ruled?=hormones?).

The thru nights fire article resonates with me deeply, and I have a very, very, very hard time letting someone see my truest feelings, my emotions, and my vulnerabilities; especially male partners, as with TDO. I got better at opening up with him, but I didn't have enough time (Saturn?) with him in my opinion.

With SN in Capricorn, and square Saturn my emotional control freakery just seems to have more reason to exist, and less reason to let go at times. And I have a hard time telling myself that I indeed *do* deserve to be in another relationship with a man very much like my departed friend/lover. I have to consciously work at building my inner self esteem to levels that maintain a buoyant, optimistic outlook on love, and partnering. I can do it, it just takes consistent work on my part.

My Saturn is in my 6th house of work, and health, and both of these areas of my life have been a struggle from day one. And my work is directly detrimental to my health in all ways, but I need to pay the bills, so I do it--for now. I also have a hard time with social boundaries (saturn rx in libra), and in knowing what is expected of me, and how much or little to give to a project at work (H6). I have no concept of happiness, pleasure, or truly being me, and being a success at it at work, but I haven't given up finding it, or earning it for myself.

With Saturn trine my Merc also rx, I am also a rather slow, but deep, and highly unforgetful learner. It takes me a little longer to fully grasp things that others learn quickly. But once I've learned it, I tend to know the subject, or task better than most, and know all the in's and out's for the rest of my life. Once the information is in, it's in for good. Mom thinks it's quirky and cool that I can remember lessons from gradeschool now as an adult. I don't see anything odd in it, I thought everyone remembered what they were taught, regardless of how long ago it was learned.

Saturn's always got a plan. I like my current one of going back to school, and getting a degree in what I wanted to do in the first place, but got sidetracked; Law. As Libra rules the law, and my 6th house, I think this might be just what I need. And with a more set day schedule, I just might be able to find the time to socialize, and find a mate as well. ; )

If there was anything else of value to add to my monologue ;), it would be that in my direct experience, it takes a Saturn rx to understand a Saturn rx. And I do love that rare, deeply understood feeling I can find in friends with this placement--like my former boyfriend. His was in his 1st house in Pisces, and we got each other.

Also just realized this might be related. Maybe not to the RX but I'm not sure. Anyhow, my Saturn is in Gemini and I have a degree in communications :) But, it came later in life than most people would obtain a degree in my generation. I graduated in 2009 from college. I graduated from high school in 1990 so it took me awhile.

I have it, too, in Cancer in the 11th. Mine mostly makes hard aspects. Except for an exact sextile to my MC, which I think helps with work discipline.

I think it makes me feel guilty for being so fortunate and that feeling caused me many self-destructive behaviors when I was younger, especially.

OTOH, I feel glad of Saturn because squares to Saturn really do ground my super revved Aries stellium/Uranus opposition.

I always thought others couldn't tell how hard I am on myself but they absolutely can. That's the Rx in the 11th part, I think.

Not only do I have natal Rx Saturn in Scorpio but it also conjuncts my mars in Scorpio.  Driving with the brakes on much!?

I find that when I was younger I felt inferior and not worthy, sometimes I walked around feeling guilty for nothing.  Good ol' Saturn is good to me now that im older.  I've found that I still have to work against my inner feelings, but I am forced to really overcome obstacles and work extra hard to reach goals in my adulthood. 

Im not too scared about my Saturn return in Scorpio as it will trine my cancer stellium. 

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Thomas,_Dylan

Dylan Thomas had an exact Saturn/Pluto conjunction both RX; I was just looking at his chart.

I have chart ruler saturn in the 4th in Aries RX. I grew up in a business, started working at age 7, have issues with my joints and genetics.

Something else I noticed too. I have enough Uranus in my chart to make me rebellious. So it isn't like I don't break rules. BUT, when it comes to games (you know, playing cards or participating in something competitive) I DO NOT believe in cheating to win. If I catch you cheating I'm taking my toys and going home. Those rules need to be adhered to or you are out of the game as far as I'm concerned.

It isn't like I'm on my friends' butts to follow rules or anything like that. I've heard saturn rx can be the "disciplinarian" of the group in that regard. But, when it comes to what I just described, you best believe I am.

Interesting answers. I'm on a quest for mor information about retrograde planets, myself, things brings many things to light for me.

Josi, I read that Love and Saturn Retrograde article a year ago.I found it very intriguing, but you don't find the points it makes valid? I'm asking as a Saturn stationary person who wants to know more about Saturn rx. :)

Solaire, for some reason I got mad about halfway through it and felt like whomever was writing it had a bad romantic experience with someone with this placement. So, I can't really answer whether I agree or not. It hit me on an emotional level and I do have Venus in the 7th and ass load of Neptune so it was probably a projection.

Stationary..huh. what do YOU notice. My son has that.

Yes I remember, I think we actually talked about your son and his saturn.Was he the one born in May of '92?

I can't tell you much. I do have loads of discipline, but my Saturn is in the 6th and I was brought up in a hardworking family.I have been doing tough physical jobs for years now.I already have back pain from all that lifting, and I'm only 19.

All I know is, I don't have an inner voice telling me that I'm inadequate.I firmly believe that I can do whatever I really set my heart on and accomplish it by putting the effort that is required.

Oh and about the article, I thought bits of it were a bit over the top. Reading through the article I thought that a Saturn rx must be very screwed up. I thought it took more than just one aspect in the chart indicating such emotional reclusiveness and such intimacy fears.But I was not informed enough about the topic, so I believed things to be the way they were written.

I have Saturn in Taurus retrograde in the 4th house natally.  The article you posted Josi from skyviewzone said the following and it is really giving me much to reflect on.

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There are parts of that that hit home with me too Emmanuelle. Weirdness tho is that I always attributed the boundary issues with my neptune/pisces. I guess I have a double whammy.

Solaire, I remember talking about it now! Please forgive me. I have a Pisces Moon that washes out my memory every chance it gets. Yes, he was born in 92. But, let me tell you..I still find it shocking to find out how young you are every time you bring it up. You do not come off that way. I always have you much older in my head.

My son is a physical work horse. His is in the 4th tho..like mine. He thinks nothing of it. Not that he volunteers or anything. But, I've given him jobs, like digging a 100 ft long drainage ditch by hand once..and he just trucks right away. He has a lot of physical stamina. Lots.

I have five planets Rx (Mars, Saturn, Pluto, Neptune and Uranus); and everything esp in the area of work has always been incredibly difficult and hard-won for me. I didn't (couldn't) get a 'proper job' ie professional and befitting my degree, until I was 27 due my handicap. I didn't get married til I was 35. Every time I thought I'd got a home I could keep, I lost it for one reason or another - I only just got a home I can't be moved from a couple of years ago, at over 60

My Saturn Rx is in Cancer and I was emotionally abused all through my childhood esp by my mother. Some of the men I've cared for have emotionally abused me (though I never allowed that to get totally out of hand). It's in H11, and I've had abuse from friends too - inc once being sued by a friend, friends trying to 'steal' work off me or block my progress, friends dropping me or acting against me behind my back. I can't see any reason I deserve such treatment and I'm so tired of it all I've become almost a recluse.

I do think with Saturn Rx you have to work at lifting your own spirits, and at shutting down the constant elf-criticism (and criticism of ohers!); and that you need to be very self-reliant. I'm forever making great plans and then getting dreadful knockbacks and it can be very dispriting. A partner with lots of well-aspected Jupiter would be a great help!

@Josi really? I wasn't aware of this. People usually give me a couple more years than I actually have. Saturn is also crossing over my Sun, so I appear more mature. Conversely, I feel less mature, I feel like I'm still a post-pubescent goofball . I blame that one on Saturn too, humbling me  'n' all.

Liz Greene's book on Saturn was really helpful to me.

I think this is my least favorite part of my chart I have all the outer planets and Merc. Retro. But I think Saturn is the worst. I'm very hyper critical of myself and I think I'm very naturally depressed and I think the worst of myself. It's very hard for me to build self-esteem and I grew up in a way that didn't help me to build any. I grew up in a really harsh unloving environment, so I think it's just that much harder for me to learn to be kind and generous and open and let myself be vulnerable. I don't think I'm a bad person, I just have more work to do in order to improve myself

I have Saturn Rx in Sagittarius in the 5th, but to be honest I just noticed it, so will have to get back to you!

What first comes to mind though is that when I tackle a project I naturally tend to be very careful, thorough, meticulous even.  I have learned to be like this because when I try to cut corners to solve a problem it just causes more problems later on, and more and more with a snowball effect until I have to just rip the whole damn thing out and start over, thereby wasting far more time than I would have by just doing it right the first time.

I'll have to think about the rest of it.

Wow this is really interesting. I have natal Saturn RX in my 6th house. Not only is saturn [very harshly] placed in the 6th, but it is also in retrograde!

(@almost everyone) Your words like "my own worst critic" "growing up feeling inadequate" (and when in aspect to the moon) feeling low and unloved resonate with me completely.

I have natal saturn in Sagittarius. I'm happy to learn that saturn rx in libra in 6th can/has helped one get a degree in law. But my natal sagittarius saturn rx hasn't quite pointed the figure to that at which I am bound to persevere.

Unfortunately, I'm not quite so 'gifted' with the skill of using saturn rx positively, for I do NOT work consistently or persistently; I am far too erratic (uranus) and happy go lucky (grand trine) and take my opportunities for granted. In fact, this has been a consistent issue of mine growing up/going through school: I feel I never put in the effort that my peers do, I feel like I'm always getting things by sheer luck or charm... and I feel terrible about it.

I wonder if this is keeping me from learning the difficult saturn lessons (rx) that I am bound to learn in this lifetime, and therefore stalling the inevitable [issues] I am destined to go through?