(Related to SaDiablo's post http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/sometimes-introspection-means-finding-out-you-suck)

 Saturn in Libra means I've caught a glimpse of some really, really ugly parts of myself. They're both Libran and Neptunian flavored and ouch. Really ouch. What's worse they seem to be an elusive part of me. I turn to look and they slip away. I have one hell of a job if I'm going to change.

 I saw myself in an ugly steriotype; someone who likes to get PR for being "nice" and "fair" but underneath has a talent for manipulation. Ouch. And a victim complex, ridiculously thin skin and a tendancy to blame people who offend me. I'm hesitant to talk about my feelings for fear it's all b.s. and I'm only making a play for sympathy.

When Pluto in Cap squares my saturn, maybe I'll come out tougher than I was before, purged of all this nonsense.

 Anyone else having a transit of either Saturn or Pluto to your 12th or to Neptune and want to talk about it?

I experienced Pluto in Sag transit to my 12th House Neptune.

Something very strange started happening about halfway through my 12th House: I would be  about to fall asleep and all of a sudden I'd have the oddest feeling. Like I was recalling a dream but I had no idea what it was.  A sense of familiaity but also faroffness. Weird.

Ah- that sounds like a subconscious roto-rooter taking place. And maybe because you had Neptune there you could never get any clear, conscious picture of what was going on?

probably. i had lots and lots of WTF moments. Then Pluto conjoined (?) my ASC and I was like "Holy shit I'm a different kind of animal all together!" It's nice being on the other side...though the ripple effect lasts a lifetime

Beth, yes!  My Saturn Return in the 12th and squaring that is Pluto transiting (conjunct) my natal moon in Cappy. I was born w/ Pluto in the 12th too. 

Anyhoo, I have definitely felt all my character flaws being exposed.  Things people prob already noticed, but I was blind to, have def come to the light.  Even though I was pretty responsible (in the practical sense) pre-Saturn Return, I realize that I have been extremely emotionally irresponsible.  Out of fear and insecurity I've allowed my emotions to totally run my life, and had such a hard time separating myself from that.  I won't go into details about all the horrible ways I expressed it, but it put a strain on my marriage (not the only reason marriage was strained, but it contributed a great deal).  I'm learning to just have faith in myself and the universe and that if the ball does drop, I'll be alright.  Huge lesson for me.

Shell- yep, I have a pluto in the 12th too, though not the Capricorn moon. It's good to see you've handled it even through the pain. Let's just say I hate having all my flaws exposed.

Beth - give yourself more credit and less criticism. There are plenty of a-holes walking around not giving a rat's ass what anyone else thinks of them. Granted, maybe they won't do much growing - but you seem like you're reading yourself the riot act here for no reason.

Give Beth a hug!!

Aww, ((Bananas)).

Hmm- it does sound overly harsh. Listening all day to talk of evil liberals and I start thinking "that's me- I have all the personality traits they're vilifying" even though that's not quite my political viewpoint. And I start thinking I've caught a glimpse of my shadow.