Liz, I am not sure how to go about resolving this, but I seem to remember this came up for you before (a job in this industry). Does my memory serve me correctly? If so, how did you resolve it then?
I really hope you find work in a place that you enjoy, feel good about and your talents are utilized.
@Kash - I think I post about porn jobs only when I encounter them.. possibly because it's my saturn line I guess. Sorry I don't post about the normal jobs .. that would add more balance. I just applied for one as well.. a bit out of my league but who knows.
My resolution then was to not apply which I'm doing again. Let it pass.
Thing is my 9th holds my saturn cancer and my 3rd holds cap.. so I want to be working and applying for work.. having a job to get a job.. but there are cancer boundaries. I can't hurt kids. But worry that I'm limiting myself from actually having my own kids - after all wouldn't I want a full-time job with benefits for that?
That's how my mind works.
And I figured I've never asked for resolution on this before so good time to.
Do I stick to the most pure path I can find - harrass the cleanest companies creating infomative documentaries and the like? And if they aren't so clean then what? And what if someone else wants to hire me in the meantime? What about balancing short term work while seeking long term prospects? Is it ok to leave work for a longer project or are you judged for it??
I have the can't-say-no syndrom. And the short-term-until-something-better-comes-then-feel-guilty-so-stay syndrom. :P
Stay true to your ideals, don't do anything that you feel is degrading or wrong, ask Lakshmi to help you find the right job.
@Kash.. nope.. but I have my own pans in the fire.. companies that will have short term work know of me. And I'm good until august financially. Guess as long as I keep moving forward daily I'll be ok.
@Nota.. thanks!! I've been sending prayers to archangel chamuel who is in charge of finding a twin soul partner and twin soul careers/jobs.
I guess I should be good then.
Give a porn job a shot. It's not like you're acting in it. There's no lying in porn like the previous jobs you mentioned, it is what it is. People making willful decisions for other people to willfully watch.
I bet they would be a little bit more open and understanding, which seems to be important to you.
No way in hell. If I can't show it to mom and dad or my nieces and nephews it ain't happening. I'd nuke the mass production of porn absolutely if I could.
I want media to change.. and someone squeeky clean to hire me. I'll take mildly dirty if i have to. Scorp rules my 2nd.. so there's usually some dirt involved.
Thanks for this.. helps define it. I think I really will target documentary work at the same time as regular work.
Liz - I 100% agree with Nota. Stick to your guns and hang on only for EXACTLY what you want. Don't compromise your ideals or accept second best. Don't work for porn - it isn't you! You have great experience and you deserve the right job. Gees - sounds like dating advice!!
I know there are likely more opportunities here in Toronto - my friend's ex works as a film editor. He loves it and wouldn't ever do anything but that. I've also had friends work at CTV too but it seems that is a challenging workplace.
I'm in PR and wouldn't be willing to promote an issue or product that I was morally opposed to, so I get it.
It sounds like this issue is so important to you that you should stick to it and not compromise. Are there video editing houses that edit all types of video from different producers? Sort of like freelance? That's how the editing industry works here in Florida.
In a way, my entire work history has been a compromise of my own personal morals and views in order to pay the bills. I've never worked in the adult film world, but I wouldn't turn down a fixed schedule, health benefits included, close in job in a corporate office for the income it would bring me.
I might consider how it would look on my resume later on, but in my current Scorpionic/Aquarian city, I get the feeling no one would bat an eye if I needed to provide such a company for references when I decided to move on. I also might try a job that is a little 'out there' for the experience, and consider in the back of my mind that it's not my ending career point, but a stepping stone position.
My job is my job, and not what I would call a career for myself. I do it to provide a home for myself in the most honorable, safe, effective way possible. With a considerate eye on the current economic times. Once I am off the clock, I am not my job, and it's not really something that's in my mind much on my days off. 6th house stellium (Mars, Saturn, Pluto, Jupiter) opposite chart ruler H12. 7th house Uranus.
But I can understand your thoughts regarding taking such a job Liz. If it is something you could not do and stay true to you, I think another job would be more suited to the kind of work you wish to do in the world. :)
Just my thoughts on it. : )
Liz, I'm sorry it's rough, but it's a tough industry you picked if you are affected by others' ethical bounaries. Perhaps documentary or public tv editing? Children's programs, or educational channels? Have you thought about trying for work in other countries who might need someone with your experience and skillset?
Best of luck, I know it's tough to find something suitable in a gray field. I worked in a place that did not mesh with my ethical boundaries for a while and got physically ill from dealing with the junky people and trying to stay above the fray. In those environments, it's well nigh impossible to stay sane if the culture is toxic. Survive, yes, but there serious cleaning to be done afterwards.
So, I completely understand and think it's best that you find a place that honors your ethical boundaries.
the media industry doesn't strike me as being very on the up and up...I guess choose the path of least evil.
I myself work for a chain company which is absolutely reviled. You know what? They've been good to me. I've worked for unions and been utterly screwed over. Which popular wisdom would have you thinking otherwise, the chain company as evil empire and unions as saviors. Well, not in my experience...
What a dilemma =(
Sad to say I think the majority of media gigs these days are punching below their weight.
If you are able to hold on to your morals & ethics, power to you Liz, but if it means paying the rent & putting food on the table in the mean time, I'm not sure you have the "luxury" of being so selective.
I hope it changes too... but for now, everyone seems to be about the downside.
I think you are being picky to the point of being unreasonable. You are working with the media. it's very exsistance depends on either trying to convince someone to buy/donate something or to take a political/moral side. there is no such thing as a true "neutral" media.
if you are worried about morals you should pick a different career.
and to be fair, i am bias against your remark about the military. i have a lot of service men in my family (active and retired) and they dont just go off to "war" or kill people. i really think you are being closed minded about a lot of the oppertunities being presented to you that other, less fortunate people would love to take.
i think it's another planet acting in your chart as well and not saturn. saturn is about learning lessons and sometimes doing things that you don't want to do. right now you are looking for the ideal situation - saturn does not deal in ideal, perfect situations, though it could be his influence that is pressuring you at this moment.
Short term, I'd say skip the porn. Long term, have you considered a career change? If your moral code constantly clashes with that of the industry you work for, it's not said your moral code is necessarely wrong. Most importantly, I don't think you can ever be truly successful doing something that is very much against your own set of values - in that sense I really think the matra Nota sends, works. I think going against their values is what's keeping people from being really successful, because you may find sabotaging yourself, consciously or unconsciously.
I have personal experience on this. I'm not doing porn, but I'm in a position where I'm encourged to breach certain personal values - for instance, selling sideproducts to elderly people who have no idea of what they'd be buying - almost on daily bases. I've been going on thinking that it's my job and it's not really my responsability to set the rules in the company. But I feel horrible about it, and came to understand why last Saturday (had a turning point week in many senses, really, but this was the last one).
I saw somewhat controversial French documentary called Game of Death (it wan Prix italie a couple of years ago, so it should be available somewhere for viewing) where they ran Milgram Obedience Experiment telling people they were part of a gameshow pilot. 81 per cent of test subjects went on giving electric shocks to their "game partner" (really an actor) even though he was screaming of pain and eventually went silent. It was hard to watch, but there was great commentary on the use of authority in these situations. I realized my boss has been using every single one of these, to convince me it's OK to do what we do. This reinforced my resolution that I need to get out of the situation. Many of my co-workers - in fact, I'm one of the last two of the original eight people who started with me 2 years ago - already have. I know my best friends there, the ones I talk to - my bridesmaid and Scorp Moon Cleaning The Drains - are much happier people now, and are becoming successful too.
It's not the industry lol.. it's me. I almost always pick at something that doesn't jive with me.. when looking back it's ok. But i'm sticking against the mass production of porn. The odd porn I wouldn't work on neither but would condone on some level. The level of helping a woman keep off the street. But once it's at the level where it pays my benefits and retirement to exploit women.. uh no.
And media is media. It's story telling. Sometimes the stories go too far, sometimes not. I am ok with the industry as a whole.. it's the extreme that gets me at times.
But porn is not media in the same way. It's paying women to undress which is akin to stripping. I'm sorry if that offends some who don't have boundaries with this but I do.
As for the military, I know.. that is why I worked for them. There is defence, pride.. etc etc.. a lot of excellent soldiers. And history that deserves to be recorded, and brought to our attentions again.. like the WW2 newsreels I was honoured to repackage. It's my 5 planets of libra that wants peace so was like wtf? Again I'd take working on war footage over porn any day.
I mentioned this only because of the astrology. When pluto opposes my saturn in cancer and it's ONLY porn jobs left I'll still say no. Unless i have a baby to feed i suppose.. but even then.
See I THINK that hq because pluto is transiting my 3rd.. but I otherwise have no earth to uphold it.
Here's a video i'm considering entering into the editor awards.. figure what the heck.. uranus is messing with my Midheaven.. it's on Canada and the Battle of Kapyong in Korea.
I can't say how I would resolve such an issue. Being a dancer and working in fashion I was able to keep my beliefs intact and still do what I love for a living. Later when I worked in an ER as a helper and voluteer I saw many issues that would have made me question the job if I were one of the nurses or doctors. I have very little experience with work that is not in the artistic realm but my experience in the ER taught me a lot about when people are backed up against the wall when it comes to morality and keeping their jobs.
I find it sad that one has to compromise to keep their career on track and often felt badly when I saw these health care workers having to keep silent on subjects that were wrong or unfair in their midst.
I was always pretty picky what I worked on in publishing. I wouldn't spend more than a week on trash, and I wouldn't work on anything I considered unethical. I did do a lot of stuff on war and modern history, and several books of erotica, but no porn.
I was often broke in my later twenties and early thirties and I could have made quite a bit of money baring my tits - men often stopped me in the streets (I frequented the West End a lot, which is home to a load of sexy stuff) asking me to pose or be in films. I'd rather have starved...
It's the men here who are telling you you're being too picky isn't it? Why am I not surprised hahaha
Blessed Place - if you are talking about me, no I'm female. And I do think the opening poster is picky. It's a blessing she has the oppertunity and luxury to be picky. I just wanted to let her know that considering I was born in a 3rd world country but now live in the USA.
Blessing yes to work in a field I'm good at. Picky? Not sure where you got that? Perhaps. Hadn't thought of it before. Thing is I have a ton of neptune.. I'm good with story and that's about it. Figured I should pursue a career with it. I'm only describing the morality issue I have with every position regardless of the reality of the evil involved. I have scorp ruling my 2nd and pluto/venus/mars/sun square saturn.
Too picky by not applying to a job that is related to porn???? Then that's a GOOD picky. Thank God.
This discussion prompted me to apply for a job with a company that I admire. And for a posiiton that isn't my main interest/skillset but is close and would still be awesome? So perhaps that's the first step to resolution? Thanks y'all.
Sorry Shuffle, I thought you were a feller!
I've spent quite a bit of my life stony broke, no home and not a farthing in my pocket. I still would never get involved in porn, prostituion, or anything else which 'does dirt on sex'. Just won't do it, never did it.
I don't think having principles and living by them is being picky, tbh. I think it's having integrity
I never said anything about taking the job with porn or even promoting it was a good idea, just that you are being overly critical of the career profession you/Liz chose.
Porn job aside, a lot of her posts in regards to her jobs in this thread have been negative. That's where my referrence to being picky was at. That's fine, most people have something about their jobs they would love to change, but if it's something as key as "morals" I highly doubt switching from one company to another will really change the name of game, unless you are just being willfully ignorant and hypocritical.
this isn't ment as heavy handed judgement, but if you take as such i can also understand why. i just wanted the opeing poster to try to think about another side of situation besides her being "uncomfortable". It's media - EVERYONE is trying to sell something. What they have to offer and the price they are asking for is often entirely different from one another but the goal is still ultimately the same.
lol negative speak. merc in scorp with pluto transiting my 3rd.
The only thing I can think of is that I was picking on the 10% in each of the jobs.. ie i hold myself too much to this at times.. which is part of the square. I am going to loosen up. PS I specifically only focused on describing this one area of issue. I could go on about how much I love what I do etc etc to help with the balance.. like I did with the army comment. I REALLY freaking love it. Which is why if I DON'T get a job in the next 8 months I'm going to be really sad. :(
And please Shuffle or Boogie if you are referring to "the poster", address me by name. There really are people behind the things written.
Liz, if you love what you do then money is the least of your problems. Stick to your guns and live within your means.
I love to do something that is not a marketable job skill (er, yet) and coupled with the fact I have a kid, I work 40 hours a week in a job and in an industry I have barely any moral / emotional / spiritual connection to.
The world needs good story-tellers. Keep doing what you're doing, keep learning, keep it moving :)
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I am currently looking for work again. Well I like to say attracting work as that's more saturn in libra. I work as a Video Editor..mostly in TV.
I usually have a morality issue with jobs - I blame perhaps saturn in the 9th.. and I realize I have to cool it somewhat.. for my first job the job was ok but the issue was the company and not having a real break in a 12 hour shift. I ended up at CBC which was awesome.. there the issue was fear-mongering.. being part of the 24/7 selling of what's not safe in the world.. but I couldn't keep or commit to that job due I couldn't sell myself worth shit in an interview.
I think the best was during my saturn return when I got to work on a show about history and architecture with RogersTV. No bad blood there. Although they didn't pay as much and eventually wanted to pay no one and use volunteers so I was let go.
Then I ended up on a show about entertainment where I had issues with constantly promoting trash about real people.. britney spears 24/7.. and then there are jobs in advertising which I've avoided.. no control over what i'd be working on at all.. then the last contract was with the army.. pure propoganda that would lure men to go to war. :(
So today I see a job posting that's not too far away - Montreal - and there are 6 positions - full-time, benefits etc.. and the website looks innocent enough.. except it doesn't really say much about what they do.. turns out it's PORN. :( I can't do porn. And I'm not saying I'd be editing porn.. I just can't work for a company that owns a gazzilion porn websites. The closest I can go is a show about art that includes porn.
Have you had an issue like this and how did you resolve it?
And any ideas on how to resolve this?