In the same vein as Elsa's blog on "...Disillusion is guaranteed," I wanna talk about Venus-Neptune issues. So I've got this issue with people dating my hologram and then ya know... the other shoe drops, eventually. I have recently started seeing someone who is head over heels enamoured, and I dig him too, but I know this road all too well. Plus this dude has got a Pisces moon (Aries Rising, Gemini Sun) which I feel doubles the amount of projection and dreaminess that may be going on.

Since this is inevitable, do I get the ball rolling and try to let him know any information that could potentially be a deal-breaker/curtain slash or do I leave the curtains up and let them fall when they may?

How do you Venus-Neptune or 12th-House types deal with inevitable disillusionment in relationships?

Is there any instance where the placement of Neptune is actually a GOOD thing? It seems to me that no matter what planetary crossing occur with Neptune, you're destined to experience that enchantment/disillusionment in love. In fact, before I knew about Neptune I just thought it was the human condition to be blinded by love...

I think Neptune is good for artistic reasons, I can say That much. Also, it can be good for dealing with certain bad situations, because you can concentrate on the nonreality of the situation until it passes. Ol' Neptune ain't so bad...

Last time I was "marketing" myself, I showed all my warts and layed out the dirty linen from the get go.

I have Neptune sextile Venus|Pluto and did not want to waste ANY time with anybody being attracted to something I was not.

To give credit where credit is due, this approach was based on a long  ago post by Elsa about "broadcasting ALL that you are" and that "you may repulse many or most, but the person who is looking for YOU will be able to find YOU"... 

It worked. WORKED!! (Thank you soooooooooo much Elsa!!)

This is not the place for me to tell the full story,  but the jist of it is, that approach landed me the woman who is now my fiancee.

(Actually, she used the same approach, against all her friends' advice. It worked for her too.)

I think I'm gonna take that advice as well! It's prickly territory...

"How do you Venus-Neptune or 12th-House types deal with inevitable disillusionment in relationships?"

This is easy once you have the trick. You TRANSCEND it. You see the beauty in flaw....

"Is there any instance where the placement of Neptune is actually a GOOD thing?"

I could go on and on about this too but quickly one time (I have Venus sq Neptune) I was in the gym on a cross trainer and saw three women on treadmills out in front of me. They all had pretty seriously flawed bodies according to the beauty standard but I had the ability to see beyond that... to blur it and readily see how each of them could and probably was the IT girl for someone. Because when someone loves you, they love YOU and no one else will do. If you wonder about this, just consider Christopher Reeve. Did his wife leave him? hell no.

Venus Neptune loves your soul and could give fuck all about your warts and what have you.

Also on this topic, check "denial" tag. I made a video I keep scarce these days (never pull it up) but it's around... the upside of denial.

I have written a few posts on that subject actually so these would give you and idea, dina2.

Looking that up righhhht now. "See the beauty in the flaw"... This is so right up my alley. I've never thought of my doing so as something that could be used as an advantage but this is making sense. Thank you Elsa!

well you can erase a person's flaws.  A tangible example of this would be when my ex who was a painter took an inch off the model's waist in the painting. I can tell you for sure the paintings look a lot better than the models un-blurred. That's Neptune!

I have tons of this neptune stuff in my chart including neptune-venus square and venus in 12th--

With my venus in 12th, I find that people (love interests) can't see ME at all. Not even that they see who I'm not. It's like I'm invisible.

Or... it's that I make myself invisible when I like someone!

Anyway, I love that advice that strawberry f mentioned. It has to work that way--

Thought provoking. I just had a little epiphany. You know, I was about to say how the problem is usually me having flaws that the other did not see. Cuz I am more worried about him realizing I am too out there or something...

but I am coming to realize something else.

I see flaws in someone that I am dating and then turn it into an issue of them not accepting me, when in reality it's the other way around. It's usually a matter of me being in costume and then getting indignant about their surprise when I step out of it. That or making a costume that matches theirs and then eventually getting sick of it, so when I go to pull mine off and they are still in theirs, I resent it and twist the reality around to fit my story.

So the solution I guess is for me to learn to erase the other's flaws, and for me to stop putting on a costume on [that I simply assume is wanted] in my relationships. Hilarious... I was using a false martyr story about love when really it is I who am the sinner and they the saint. Teehee, er my bad.

"Or... it's that I make myself invisible when I like someone!"

moonpluto, YUP. See my above epiphany.

venus trine neptune in the 12th. i can sense right away if someone "doesn't see me" and i tend to duck out pretty quick. i don't mind someone saying outright "i don't get you." 

had to edit as this makes zero sense.

as long as someone isn't in denial about the fact they are confounded by who they "think" i am, i am okay. i don't get everybody, of course not everybody can get me.  

Alphaxys--I think letting the curtains drop in their own time is very neptunian...and like elsa said, "transcend". 

My own Venus/Neptune example, as a romantic, I tended in the past to get weary after the puppy love stage and itch to move on to find where the grass is might be greener. I nearly did that to my current partner, I asked for space and moved into a friend's place for a couple weeks. But I came back. I don't know what happened, I just decided to try something different I guess. I dug my heals in and discovered that you can fall in love with the same person more than once.  That was my Venus/Neptune epiphany.

Weird. Venus in 12th. I think when I'm around men, I go into hiding or something (continuing theme from before) -- I pull in, disappear: neptune again! No wonder they can't see me.

Lots of ephiphanies tonight. How does one un-neptune?