This is an offshoot of debdeb's thread about perseverance and flexibility. I don't want to hijack:

http://boards.elsaelsa.com/topic/perseverance-vs-flexibility-when-to-hold-and-when-to-fold?view=all

As the discussion their has developed, it's made me think about this and realize just how yielding I am, left to my own devices. I am pretty constantly ready to quit, to change, to jump tracks, to leave, to change my mind, etc. This includes, death by the way. If I am to die now, well okay.

I am only held in place by others, typically Scorpios and Taureans. I am constantly licking my finger and holding it up the air to see which way the wind is blowing, where I should head and when.

I certainly assert myself at times but it's because I have a feeling and if the feeling is not there, I don't assert myself. My entire reality (Saturn) is fluid (Neptune). My long range goals come and go or more commonly, simply erase.

I have something very near total faith that as long as I pay attention to signs and subtle urgings, or outside pressures an the like, I will be okay.

How does this jibe with your experience?

Based on relativity, I think it totally makes sense.  Or else how can you have a totally unyielding type person? 

For me, I'm mostly cardinal & then a little mutable, so if yielding is what it takes to keep the boat moving, I'll yield, but I could be moody about it ;).  I'm not fixed by sign, and only by neptune in my 5th for houses,
Angie 

I too am very yielding (I think) but my experience does not feel as if it jibes with your experience.
I attribute my yielding qualities to my Pisces sun/mars conjunction and I often don't care enough about things not to just go ahead and yield at the slightest resistance. But I also have a fixedness (when I choose to use it) coming from my internal self rather than my relationships. Maybe from my mercury/Saturn conjunction.
For example, sometimes I persevere with a course of action over a long period of time despite being deeply unhappy, simply because something inside me won't yield. So I don't let my feelings rule me in those instances - I put my trust in my long range goal.

With all the Gemini and Pisces in my chart, I'm very yielding unless....you run up against my Earth.  If you aggravate me enough, I'll mow you right over and let god sort it out.

Same @Elsa. I recently compared my life to perpetually being in a dodgem car. I bounce from this to that depending on all the factors you outlined above. Who knows where I'll end up? It bothers others more than it bothers me.

Hey @crackers... nice to see you!

Thank you McKenna, I could use the encouragement! :-)

Wow! I asked my husband about this because I am curious now how my experience jibes with his.

"You're talked about a million things there, P."

"I talked about one thing."

"This is complex, what you've brought up."

"You say I talked about a million things. I say it's one thing or maybe two. You're exaggerating."

"P, that was at least 15 things you said there..."

He went to explain his process which has some similarity to mine but not much. I kind of taken aback. Also that my 1 thing is 15. If he were home, I have him diagram this for me and I'm not kidding.

I yield until it stops feeling right. Sometimes allowing for things to develop, or being open to possibilities, or going with the flow, seems like an invitation for others to violate *something* So if a situation begins to feel wrong to me, I am anything but yielding.

Crackers- I miss you when you are not posting too, you and your cute little blue fishes avatar.

Elsa- I also have that 'total faith'

I am also glad to see Crackers! :)

I think I get this, I have neptune in Libra house 7 when using Placidus. 

This is actually on topic, I think.

"You relate things that I don't know are related," my husband said.

"I know. I know that. Look. You have your round math. You have 360 degree math but it's not real until you can prove it.  You have to come up with an equation to prove your theory because that is how you mind works."

"Yeah?"

"Yeah, but I would look at the math and already see the circle and see it's all connected. Look. I think Jupiter affects behavior of people on the Earth so that's a leap. You don't know if that connection is real because you don't have an equation but it does not mean it isn't real. Your math was real, even before you proved it with an equation.  So you wait for that day, which I understand. But I can't help if it I can see the whole circle and feel it's real with or without an equation. I am set up this way, and you're set up another way.  And I am telling you that I take huge leaps of faith. I do this but I don't take them unless I feel the move is sanctioned and I am going to be supported. Of course not. I never operate alone and if I do wind up in a ditch, I immediately ask what I have to do to get out of the ditch and then I do it. There is no math in any of this, and no variety or variance of any kind either. It's all seamless and it's been going on for years... for as long as I can remember. This is how I live."

I read this thread title, and thought it said, "On being a yelling type of person." Hehe, not quite, but it made me laugh at my own temporary misinterpretation.

On the subject of yielding, I try to remember the advice my older Aunt gave me when TDO had just passed, she said,

"Go with the flow, but don't flow where you don't want to go."

That pretty much is my philosophy on yielding, and life as I know it. I have to more remember to let myself *flow* and not be so rigid, or fixed, rather than flowing in a direction I don't wish to go. But then....when I am being rigid, I'm doing just that: going in the wrong direction. ; )

"...But I can't help if it I can see the whole circle and feel it's real with or without an equation. I am set up this way, and you're set up another way.  And I am telling you that I take huge leaps of faith. I do this but I don't take them unless I feel the move is sanctioned and I am going to be supported. Of course not. I never operate alone and if I do wind up in a ditch, I immediately ask what I have to do to get out of the ditch and then I do it. There is no math in any of this, and no variety or variance of any kind either. It's all seamless and it's been going on for years... for as long as I can remember. This is how I live."

The trouble is, that most of the rest of the World place no stock in "feeling". If you don't have the equation... one you can can write down in formula, many think you are NUTS. Doesn't matter if you are proven right time & again, it's just not the way it works.

I've been up against this my whole life. If you want people to take you "seriously", you have to have PROOF.

I am not sure if this is the same as you @Elsa, but I can tell you, it's frustrating to the max from where I sit. You just learn to shut up.

I can be stubborn and yielding. I am more yielding to a situation than to people.

I don't feel frustrated at all. My process is internal. I just wonder how it compares to how other people function because debdeb's post was so interesting to me. 

I guess it's human nature to think the way you operate is the way others operate but it's just not the case and learning about differences like this is interesting to me.

@Elsa It's good you don't feel frustrated. & it IS always interesting & useful to hear how others "operate". If you are geared that way, you never get tired of it, that's for sure 

I would like to figure myself out, truth be told. 

I think you've been working extra very hard at that too @Elsa! I don't envy your chances with Neptune though. You will figure yourself out, but you will always be changing, so...

I don't think I'm quite as yielding.

Elsa I belive I can relate to what you wrote up there. It's hard for me to put in words but especially felt this: I think Jupiter affects behavior of people on the Earth so that's a leap.

Jupiter is my chart ruler and it is well aspected. I consider the opposition to Neptune, well aspected:) I make sure my back-up plans are desireable! Eg. when my former partner left me, I was bereft. And instantly started plotting a foreign trip. If I was going to be miserable, it was going to be in a location I liked!

I yield when it's important for the situation to either clear up or move on or if it is truely important to someone close to me. However, I won't yeild if it feels wrong to me no matter who wants/needs/asks.

If I don't get the knee jerk reaction feeling of "not gunna happen", I figure if it makes them happy, I can pretty much do anything for a while within reason.

I think we all have an internal process, some more analytical, some more complex or circuitous than others, as well as varying sensitivity to stimuli. When I finally find a way to get through to people in a language they speak, it all clicks.

I find the communication more difficult than the internal knowing. Trusting my gut or the input is the issue - sometimes things get thrown off depending on how you're wired, and it depends on the situation whether I yield or push. I used to yield like a piece of putty, but my mars, moon, pluto and saturn is getting a workout these days because I've discovered I need to learn how to use them too to good effect rather than rely on Jupiter (Pisces/Sag).

The trick is finding a personal process that works for each person. My chart helps, but in the context of my values and experiences, as well as resources involved and available. This is where the Pisces boundaries blur because what I could do in one situation that resembles another isn't what I would do at another time because the situation is different to me, but not form the outside looking in. Hope that last bit made sense...not talking integrity, but finely tuned decisions taking into account details that are easily overlooked.