That could be Elsa! My Mars is trine Pluto and I don't have any other hard aspects to Pluto (besides that Moon conj. Pluto) but I do have that Mars opp. Neptune (yikes).
I also have had many "open enemies" throughout my life and I chalk this up to the Sun, Mercury, Venus, Saturn, North Node and Vertex in the 7th house and even issues with my own mother (Moon conj. Pluto).
This is interesting, I too have the psychologist leanings but I guess I was just in the mood to focus on the bad side today!...I am a behavioral science major and I had considered majoring in counseling or psychology in grad school but I decided on adult education and instructional design.
I have found that people tell me their life stories within minutes of meeting me, issues and all and asking for help. I don't really mind this, but all of my life I had said to myself "Who can I tell my troubles to?"
If you do regular houses (don't remember what it is called) -- not equal houses -- my pluto is in the 8th house. It's in the 9th with equal houses, which makes more sense it feeels like.
Therapy has always been pretty useless for me for some reason - I have to go as a requirement to qualify for some medical treatment & the therapist is like you're already doing what I would recommend. Maybe it is my 12th/8th setup.
I had open enemies as a kid at school but not as an adult.
I have my Pluto in the 8th House. The way I try to analyze that is that my intense drive (like lust) attracts intensity of all kinds. I think this is probably where I get my weird psychic coincidental experiences, like synchronicity. I definitely probe and won't stop like a hungry hyena (Pluto in Scorpio) but I don't really have to try that much since powers seem to attract to me (Pluto in the 8th House). Roaches also seem to appear to me before something bad happens or as a warning from God(?), and I don't really want to talk about roaches right now since they may appear, they may hear that I'm talking about them. (they always seem to in circumstances like these)
For example, I once had an intuition that someone was dying when the clock seemed to be calling me at 12:01 AM, only finding that that was the exact time a celebrity died, that was on the news the next day...
I'm not really sure where does that come from. Maybe you can help me. Dec. 4, 1991, 2:00 PM, Pasig, Philippines. I am definitely not joking. I might sound like I am due to my age but no.
Its strange how when i google 'pluto in the 8th house' I get to see scary things written all over, like its transformation, transcendation of ego, attraction to death, blah blah. I mean is there any normal & simple interpretation for it? I know this placement gives a kind of intense feel to the person, like sometimes I constantly keep thinking and thinking...and then i realize its all so futile, like I need to chill. I wonder how best one can direct such potent energy, especially when Pluto is in Scorpio in the 8th...I would love to know.
I have this. Too much Sag for revenge I think - would rather just leave and have no mental ties to someone who's wronged me.
Love psychology. Junior high was all about Freud and then high school was all about Jung. And I always loved reading about neurology.
Also, money. I am very interested in the unequal division of resources I see in my life. I always end up in some way, dealing with other people's money, often large sums. Currency really is a kind of energy and power, a special kind and how it moves is very complex.
@ Elsa "My friend, ben went to 4 or 5 sessions and turned his life on a dime. He has Jupiter in the 8th.. benefit from psychotherapy, see? "
That is GREAT info I have jup in 8th to and your point really hit home. I have also been feeling a draw to incorporate working with a Psychotherapist in my massage practice. I can see the benefit of working close with a Psychotherapist to integrate touch therapy.
Jupiter squares my merc (chart ruler) in the 11th and my Pluto in the 5th. Does this resonate? or do you see anything I could be missing? (im approaching my neptune square) LOL
I don't see this placement as a detriment. I also don't see it as an indication of being vengeful. I think being vengeful comes with an incapacity to deal with something head on (yes, I've been one vindicitive bitch in my lifetime..so I know).
I feel Pluto in Libra in the 8th (which is where mine is) gives me tremendous ability to transform myself in relation to the "other" whatever that "other" may be at the time.
I don't mind it so much. When I was younger it confused me terribly because strangers would just unload on me as far as their issues. I wasn't sure why they trusted me and it made me feel as weird as their problems were.
As I got in my mid 20's I understood it more, but had to fend off the folks who were over bearing (Moon 8th). Now, it's breeze and I try to get people to reflect back to their own words as much as possible. ![]()
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I've only read the first couple of posts on this thread and having Pluto in the 8th house....I am very tuned in to some of its many attributes. I'm not a suspicious person although I can be very inquisitive, intense, resourceful when trying to unravel a mystery. Figuring out human behavior is somewhat easy---it's not a psychic ability as much as it's recognizing patterns and with that anticipating the next indicated move. This placement makes good investigators and yes, psychologists(provided some additional placement or aspect that inclines empathy)
Re is an important dichotomy as more than just a human part of we in this 3D into 4D as we reincarnate, re-evaluate, revise, regenerate, recycle etc.. to remember or recall our purpose on the planet. Knowing instead of mere believing(to me believing is a lie) is on such a broad level, on the very foundation so that it matters little when everything above the foundation gets leveled. Shoot, i expect that to happen--in fact I always welcome the expansion of experience and consciousness. And Good Grief Charlie Brown, I wouldn't learn it or appreciate it if'n it were easy...oh no! Sometimes these changes take a long time and so sometimes not always perceivable. But in my chart Uranus forms a really tight conj. with Pluto so sometimes changes are abrupt and sudden--makes for some really profound quickenings! Both these planets are part of a nasty t-square ...but I'm getting off point..
About the vengefulness or having hidden enemies or enemies in general one might assume would follow this placement. You know, when I was a kid I'd swear to myself that I'd stay mad at someone I'd argued or fought with. Couldn't do it. I'd get mad at myself for not being able to stay mad at others! It's even more so today that I can't hold grudges, I cannot hold hatred at all. I cannot and do not indulge revenge, even in my thoughts. Sure, being Aries I can pop off quickly and do---but it's all bark. Sure there have been times where I was unreasonably tempermental that in the heat of that moment I would say some things, maybe throw and break stuff(of my own), but never set out to exact revenge. I'm sure being in the presence of my temper tantrum was payment enough!(chuckles)I have to disagree about Mars who is hotheaded and impulsive with it but revenge itself feels Plutonian because of its cold premeditation.
As far as enemies go..wow..if I thought I had enemies at any point in time..I can't fathom that notion. If i had enemies they'd have to be hidden , i'd never know it. I don't see how people pit themselves against another. I guess these things would generally go together. right? If I held grudges and sought revenge, I suppose that creates the enemy and then on and on that would go hooking and locking onto eachother in an endless samsara of karma.
Nah-I say 5D or bust!
Other than that I say Pluto in the 8th is quite an auspicious placement.
Hi,
I have Pluto in the eighth, but I also have mercury, venus and uranus in the eighth. I was curious so I googled and found this on tribenet....pretty amazing because it rings true for me, thought I would share. My pluto is in virgo and so is uranus, mercury and venus in Leo in the eighth.
This description is so true to me, I could not have had a more perfect description of my eighth house signature, only one thing is I do not forgive, I really have a problem forgiving, and I never, ever forget a hurt.......
pluto-in-libra.tribe.net/threa...ead54b
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No place to hide...And hide you want with Pluto in 8. Just to be left alone...just a little bit of peace and quiet, fighting your own little guerrilla warfare.He will not let you rest, each and every experience laced with paradox,making you conscious of all the things you didn't want to know about your little ego.And so it begins...the great transmutation. You have to get to the bottom, to control it:Power and Control...
The overwhelming feeling you have to start over and over again each moment in Time...Who am I really?, what do I really want?, why am I so at odds with myself?Why can't I be like everyone else? And why are people looking at me all of the time? Ha!Surrender? Never! Each step, you gonna travel lighter and lighter...loosing what youlike, what you want...burning away the waste...hitting rock bottom, rousing the Dragon.Nothing to loose: you get your wings and your multipass.
No going back, all bridges burned - playacting, incinerating...peace with each step,forgiving everyone, even Your self. Then Shedding the armour, exposing your delicate heart...Kaboom! a leap of faith: running the Gauntlet. All the while, holding the serpent at bay...and waking it, shaking with happiness, like a newborn babe, you are crossing the border.
Leave it be, just loose control...surprise yourself. Release the unfathomable eagle.Destroy the destroyer...resurfacing from the Depths of the Marshland. Open the eyeand burn it to ashes...Again and again...relentlessly, like a second nature...A Witness of the rebirth...every living Moment:
At the dawn after his enlightenment the Buddha uttered this verse:
"Thro' many a birth in samsara wanderedSeeking, but not finding, the builder of this house.Sorrowful is repeated birth.House builder, thou art seen.Thou shalt build no house again.All thy rafters are broken; thy ridgepole is shattered.The mind attains the unconditioned.Achieved is the end of craving."
My pluto is in the 8th scorpio (in equal house system). Every few years i need to transform, i either create a situation myself or circumstances create it for me. Sometimes i am jealous of people who have a satisfied life. Secondly, interest in resources- not in others' money per se, but natural resources.
I have Pluto in the eighth. "Natural psychologist" -- yeah, but there's a reason you got that way.
To me P8 is the placement of the no-bullshit, real life, absolutely freakin nearly-immortal son-of-a-bitch, nine lives, totally cognizant of the fragility of human life and no stranger to serious, serious shit placement. Most of us know way too much about that kind of thing to the point that we stop even bothering to tell people about it, because we come to the conclusion that they're better off not knowing.
We're all walking on a knife edge but it's the P8s who know this for sure.
Someone earlier said that Pluto in virgo in the Eighth is a good placement. I do agree. Having it in Virgo adds a certain intellectual flavor. Not too emotional, bur rather a sense of logic and rationale. It really is a good place for pluto in the eighth. I know it sounds somewhat snobbish, I am so sorry, it is just that Virgo lends a little bit of detachment to such a powerful placement,
I am curious to see what others who have this particular placement thinks. Both my uranus and pluto are in virgo in the eighth.
This stabilizes the emotions I think
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Does anyone else here have this placement? What has it meant for you?
I know for myself it has meant that I have a small bit of that "revenge motif" in my life, okay, maybe a large bit of it. Not of the homicidal variety but more of the "looking good is the best revenge" variety (Pluto in Libra conjunct Moon in Libra in 9th house).