Some of you already know that I'm going through Saturn Return AND a harsh Pluto transit to my sun. I know I've been "whining" (hehe) on the board about it but much has changed since then.

I embarked on this Career Exploration opportunity and got assessed and am currently getting some career counseling done. I walked in there, thinking that I will be going to yet another "creative" field (I was a Web/Graphic Designer for 7+ years). I've been mulling over the "right (creative) career" since my teens and I was always looking for ways to really achieve this. Many assessments, peer discussions and personal consultations later, I came out of the workshop 100% more confident than before. I believe it's because many issues have been identified (Saturn) and I had to force myself to look inward.

So basically, I'm leaving the creative/tech field to become a career counselor. Highly service-oriented (Saturn in Virgo in 6th) and it would likely satisfy my 12th house Aries sun.  I'm already taking steps to work on informational interviews with other career counselors and pumping myself up for 2 years of rigorous schooling where most of my subjects are psychology-related. :) I initially thought that Career Counseling was very "surface level, help someone make more money" kind of job but I had no idea that there is a LOT of very very deep psychology involved in this!

On top of that, I find that I had to dredge up a lot of deep feelings within me - normally in the nature of how I identified myself (Sun in 12th house Aries). I've always been identified as the "lonely artist." I kept to myself a lot but that was mainly because kids in my younger years didn't want to play with me or because I was a bit of a "nerd" in high school. My only saving grace was my drawings/imagination and people thought I was "cool" for that, when really it was my way of coping with loneliness :P I kept wearing the "lonely artist" image until recently because it earned a lot of approval from people, but I felt that I had to overcompensate for my talents/skills all the time.  Deep down, I've always been a very social person but painfully wounded by past rejections.

So although I had a tough time with both transits, I think something positive came out of it. I know it will NEVER be the end of my transits yet, but it's definitely better than where I began! At least my success in this experience gives me more of a momentum to deal with future challenges.

So what's your story? :)

I got caught in a crush 2 years ago. There is no doubt these planets in combination will take you to places there are no words to describe.  The loss in my case was devastating to a point there are things you cannot recover.  Things like innocence and naivete.

Oh, I forgot the +.

The postive is the clearcut made way new growth and various people and things to rise from the ashes.

 Also, people get what they deserve but boy is that deep a topic.

Ouch, Elsa! What you have gone through two years ago seems pretty intense. I'm sorry to hear that your loss is devastating :( But these transits - however much havoc they may wreak on us seem to completely transform us - as if you are no longer the person you once were.

No, hell no you are not the same person.

Saturn and Pluto: The planets of lost innocence.

Re: The upcoming Saturn Pluto square

I got caught in the awful Saturn-Pluto crush on my 29 Libra Sun in 1982 and the loss then affected my whole life.  I've got Mars at 1 Cancer, not to mention all my angles at 0 Cardinal, and I just don't know if I can handle whatever loss might come.

Sorry, Lunalie, I know you were asking for positive experiences.   Go, you!

Hey it's ok :)

I guess it's just me trying to be optimistic. :)

Just because I'm seeing more positive tones in this experience, it doesn't mean I'm not going through hell :P I'm confronted everyday of the deeper monsters of my past! :P

Well, I think what's brave is you really taking the good out of it.  We all have to... we can't get out of it or we'll "go down and stay down" as Elsa said.  I am just feeling daunted because this Saturn-Pluto thing has not peaked yet so I feel like somethin's comin'.  In the end, I'm going to have to "condition" myself for a good angle on it as well.  I hope I can come back here and add something good--I bet I will.  I hope you keep us updated on what you're getting out of this, too.

Well, that's the thing... Saturn is about to peak this month for me as my actual Saturn Return will happen in the 25th of this month. As for Pluto... I know I'll be confronting demons a whole damn lot :( after the Sun, the moon will get aspected and I'm not quite looking forward to this because my Moon is in the 4th house :( Sure, I may have a transformative change of public image as soon as Pluto hits my MC but what about my family? :(

I'm hoping I'm strong enough to handle everything. 2010 is going to be an even harder year... Yikes.

A little over two years ago (Summer/Fall 2007), transiting Saturn conjuncted my IC, then conjuncted my Pluto/4th, in short order. I kicked out my deadbeat husband who was sucking the life out of me (we are now divorced). I also met a shaman who started training me in her ways--and the experience has opened up my worldview amazingly. So my life changed a lot in a short amount of time... and not all of it was *easy*... but all of it has certainly been *positive*.

I dont have anything positive to add yet, as I am more scared and dont know what to expect. How do I know which house Saturn will be in for me, and Pluto too, and how that will affect me?

Well I guess if you look at it from a positive perspective, its causing a lot of my fears to surface - whether I will get hurt, lose my stuff, lose money, lose my job, something will interfere with my school or life - any kind of change to my life - is just scary. Why? *Sigh* I guess I am really working on developing faith in that whatever comes my way is what I am meant to work through - maybe I am meant to work through this energy. Maybe I am meant to finally tell this guy that I cant be friends with him because its misleading to him. Maybe I need to do something with my job - but the job market is so tough I dont know what else I could do.

What I really wish would happen is I would find a mentor - someone to open my eyes to truth, to realities of life, to help me break away my walls and fears, so I can live fully and fearlessly. I will set my intention for that.  

Elsa, can you share more specifically what the crush was?

Man - I am just getting more and more scared by the minute - maybe I should stop reading astrology! :/ Its so much to handle.

wonderingair, I lost my daughter.

That's sad Elsa.  I'm going through this transit combination myself, well I could feel the advent of my saturn square now.  

Last night, I dreamt of my father's death.  I woke up with an extreme sense of loss.  I accepted that feeling with calm and grace, no resistance on my part at all.  Just a wholehearted release.  

I can picture out a snake changing or outgrowing it's skin.  I think that's what this transit is all about.   

Pluto has been traveling my 4th house, where early on he conjuncted my moon. During this time, I lost my beloved grandparents - my most cherished and trusted friends on the planet. My mother lost herself as a result of losing everything she valued, except her children, to people and things she had devoted her life to. And I lost the father I thought I had, although I do still have a father, for which I am grateful. In a few weeks, Pluto will leave this 4th house of family, and I am left with a post-apocalyptic quiet there, and simply a feeling of surrender.

I am so sorry about your daughter.

My husband has had an unexplained pain for several years, which has not been diagnosed despite several tests. We'll see what Pluto in the 7th does with that :(

i'm sorry to hear that tinaroma. pluto requires surrender, for sure.

user is his pain in his body? will pluto aspect any planets during the transit through his 7th? 

thanks, kashmiri. I definitely did not take the smoothe, express route to get there.

Yeah, Kashmiri, his pain is in his body, near his heart but does not appear to be his heart. Like if you went in from the sternum midway into his body. The heart chakra area.

Pluto is transiting MY 7th, I don't have a birth time for him, I so wish I did. He's getting a cat scan soon, to see behind and in between everything in a way that xrays cannot. This is about the sixth diagnostic process he's gone through.

User - has he been checked for costochondritis? I get that once in a while because my ribs dislocate a little bit sometimes.

Jilly, he talked about something with the ribs, but I don't know if that was it. I will mention it to him tonight. THANKS!!

the only thing that is positive for me on Saturn Pluto aspect is that through the fight I am realy knowing my self, Saturn in Virgo hit my Uranus/ Pluto conjunction on my Asc. on Oct. 31 2yr ago. I was physicaly attact by hus, my stepson died in Dec. my mother & father got sick, this last yr. Saturn conjuncted Mars/moon conjuction my mother died, dad had to be put in nursing home lost Aunt & Uncle who were my second caregivers, husband got his leg broke i split from husband when Saturn was exact Mars/Moon conjunct. Have to believe Saturn in Leo will give me some reliefe.

I have the Saturn/Pluto square natally, so when one planet is triggered by transit, so is the other. When I went through my Saturn return some years ago, it was very rough. Management in my company had changed and what was a once great place to work became a truly awful environment. And it seemed that all the jobs disappeared, so I was stuck in what felt like a terribly oppressive situation that just dragged on and on.

Eventually I started exploring other fields. At the end of the Saturn return, I got a wonderful job offer that involved relocation (something I had neither planned or looked to do). It led to many wonderful experiences and meeting great people who expanded my horizons. 

The current transiting Saturn/Pluto square prompted me to begin a massive de-cluttering project. I called in an organizing consultant (Saturn in Libra) to get me unstuck from something that had been weighing on me heavily. The fact that neither Saturn nor Pluto are making heavy major aspects makes a huge difference, but this is one time out of so many that I feel i am making a positive use of some difficult energy.

These are just two examples. Nonetheless, having been through some other Saturn/Pluto transits, I know it can be very rough. Hang in there. My heart is with you. 

One of my frnds has jupiter/saturn/venus at 1/4/7 degress in libra in that order in 5th house.in natal..

he would be undergoing saturn return with pluto (from 8th) squaring both (natal/transiting saturn).....

what  should he expect??

Welcome, EllenZ. :)

I will have the transit pluto from 10th house square my natal saturn/jupiter conjunction in libra in 7th in about 2 years... guess will be better prepared with all the knowledge gained from the discussion..