i've noticed an interesting dynamic with my saturn/moon conjunct in cancer kid...

he will try to tell me what to do.  he has some weird idea like he has authority over me?  his sense of proper behavior extends to me.... and, well, his conceptual grasp of such things is limited enough that i hear him give me ridiculous orders from time to time.....

which has forced me to become far far more authoritarian than i am comfortable with towards him.  (i have uranus square saturn.)  since he needs to recognize who the authority is in our relationship while he's a child.  more to the point... a child is not in a position to give their parents orders.

does anyone else with (or who were) children with saturn/moon experience the child trying to exert authority over the mother?

i'm curious.

 thanks!

Oh Yes! Moon/Saturn 1st house Gemini. Quite the little tyrant bossy-boots.

I've been told off this week for spending too much time on the computer :)

One night I was watching old videos from my teenage years on Youtube, he came in  saying 'What IS that awful noise, turn that rubbish off'.

I get regular instructions on how to run the house, the car, my finances.

He's eight, Wyrdling, EIGHT!!!!!!

I had my baby six days ago (moon/sat in libra) and she already looks at me like I'm a nitwit.  She shakes her hands at me and sighs and grabs her face like "you dunce!"

I find it humorous.... for now.

Virgo daughter with moon and Saturn in Aquarius on the 4th house cusp.  She definitely finds me exasperating.  Probably helps that it's a mutable sign.  She isn't terribly bossy but she would prefer that I be a little more organized and fashion conscious.  

Sun/Saturn Gemini step son is right this minute bossing his dad while they're playing games together on the computer.  

Cap sun/Aries moon kid with Saturn conjunct MY sun was born with it all figured out.  He was pissed about being in a useless infant body.  That was my first thought when I looked at him.  "Dude, it gets better... you'll get the hang of it".  I totally get the amusement Nota and I think having a sense of humor is the antidote for the Saturnian kids.  They sure as hell need to learn to access that ability to laugh at life anyway.

p.s.  It's going to be such a trip hearing your astrology based observations of your new little girl as she grows.  

I only have one with a Moon-Saturn aspect, the square, and he's definitely the crankypants of the bunch, and has the least easy-going personality.  They're all young adults now, but even when they were younger the kids knew they'd get exactly nowhere (except grounded) for being disrespectful not just to us, but to each other.  On the other hand, the Saturn-Moon aspects I do have with my boys are all easy ones, so that might have something to do with not having to play the authoritarian card too often.

Moon/saturn for sure is SERIOUS. Dour, even, at times... Not a fun loving moon although the sign could surely make a difference. Libra would be "easier" than Cancer here in my opinion.

Bossy as a description for moon saturn conjunct surprises me actually. Hmmm... I would also think it important if the the moon is applying or moving away.... 

I have moon saturn trine and find that when I get in a mood, it can STAY that way for a while... 

And as a cancer, I can be pretty cranky, serious, etc.. Those moon saturn children really need to feel the love, know the love -- i imagine they'd feel pretty unloveable at times 

Moonpluto, I totally hear you on the feeling unlovable part.  My guy is very lovable and has many friends, but he has this gruffness about him and isn't usually comfortable with overt displays of affection, giving them or receiving them.  But I've noticed when he comes home from college, that he really hugs me now -- not just the quickie "obligatory" hug, but a real "I love you hug" and that's really nice  Growing up, I guess.  His moon is in Libra 1st house, and the Saturn is in Capricorn 4th house.  Applying, 6 degree orb.  When he's comfortable and happy he shows his killer sense of humor -- probably that much more amusing to people because he can otherwise be so dour.

I've got a Cappy Moon square Saturn and while I love my mom, I've never respected her authority.  Sometimes I feel like I have to be the parent.

I have this aspect, but didn't start feeling like my mom's parent until I grew up. It's frightening when she acts like more of a kid than me. I feel like I HAVE to be the mean parent on her.

I'm a Leo Moon square Saturn- was a so called abandoned child but still had my mother in and out of my life for years. Now, we're completely estranged 8 years by choice. She doesn't have a maternal bone. And, I've always felt like the "adult" or "responsible one" when I'm around her.

The gift- I take my mothering seriously and I believe my daughter benefits from what I lacked or didn't receive.

Notatirem, your post could've been written by my Dad, seriously...'even when you were a baby you looked at us like we were fools'. His wasn't a fond memory. I have Capricorn Moon inconjunct Saturn. I didn't do babytalk, apparently

My mum was deathly afraid I was trying to assert my authority over her my whole life and denied me therapy because of this fear. She thought I was trying to fuck with her--I finally found a therapist on my own and she would hound me when I came home from the therapist's. She was convinced I was pretending to be depressed to ruin her life.

But....I have a good relationship with her now! I love her and have committed to caring for her if she needs me to when she's older (she has a huge fear of losing her home which I totally understand).

oh, jeez. my son has a scorpio stellium (mercury mars sun venus jupiter) with virgo moon conj leo saturn (seperating, 8°) in the 2nd.

he's three now and finding his way with words.

"But Mommy, calm down. Stop being crazy. I will clean it up, don't worry."

"Now that's enough. I AM NOT LITTLE. I am bigger than you."

hmmm...

Yup, my little one has Moon/Saturn conjunct in Cancer as well.  She's very bossy, but she's a natural at it--Scorpio Sun and Leo rising.  This conjunction is part of a grand trine (Sun, Moon/Saturn, Mars in Pisces), so it hasn't been too much of an issue.  She's very spunky and makes everyone smile, but yes, she does like to boss me around.  I'm not the only one on the receiving end of it, though.  Everyone she loves is. 

hm.

yes, he tends to get his way a lot.  lots of leo, too.  and a first house jupiter.  i'm more likely than most people to put my foot down and assert boundaries though.  people will just give him stuff.  all kinds of stuff.  if he asks.  he's got some super cute power.  i don't quite grasp it.

and he needs TONS of affection.  very... clingy... as a baby.  it didn't bother me, at the time, but eventually i needed to assert a right to my own space.  it can still be an issue.  he would scream like his heart was breaking.  if i tried to put him down to sleep.  i ended up carrying him around in a sling for a long long time.  until he wouldn't fit in it any more.

also, he has a venus in cancer T square a major aries/libra opposition in my chart.

he is very sweet and helpful and caring when i'm down, though.  has a lot of love to GIVE.  but i have a lot to learn about cancer, i think.

@ Lis- my scorpio son is leo rising as well.

wondering if this doesn't have more to do with little leos than saturn/moon- or maybe the combination.

@ Wyrdling- wow i really understand the need to be authoritarian with these little ones. you HAVE to, or they will walk all over you, and everyone else. it's the only time i've really found my aries moon to be useful. as a pisces sun/rising, i always wanted to be the easy-going tender-hearted mom that you see in band-aid and fabric softener commercials. didn't work out that way.

Emi, I have two little Leo girls in my house (Moon and Rising), and I definitely think this is a Leo thing.  My other daughter has Moon opposite a Mars/Uranus conjunction in Aquarius, no Saturn aspects, but boy, does she show her temper when things don't go her way...

I did the little one's chart when I got home from the hospital, knowing she would have a Moon/Saturn conjunction.  I was really worried about how it would affect her, but I think its being part of a grand trine has made it much easier for her to handle than one that was either poorly aspected or an "island" aspect.

I have moon conjunct saturn conj the MC in Pisces. My mother is cold and has never been affectionate. I have no respect for her, not as a mother or a person for that matter. She is opinionated, rude and focused only on herself. And yes I am bossy, but i didn't realize it was from my moon saturn, i thought it was being a leo and a first born child. I also thought that the moon saturn shows the coldness and lack of affection from the mother? No?

i'm seeing a lot of combinations of leo with son or moon saturn.  very interesting.

the way i understand the moon is it's how one _perceives_ the mother.  (among other things)  thus siblings can have different moon signs