I read we have a transit of Saturn squaring Pluto and this will last for several  years. The description was chilling of how this was going to affect everyones life. Is it really that bad?

I don't think so. I mean, I think life is challenging to begin with...and I think society will face unique and difficult times in years ahead, yes. But I don't think it pays me (personally) any good to worry about what shit will hit the fan in the future...

Personally I don't think there is any preparation for a Pluto transit, except for making a deal with oneself to commit to being as aware as possible.

Vague enough? heh heh 

I'm a fatalist. If I get some plague even after all the hand washing, well, OH WELL. I lose all my money? Oh well! Like seriously, what the hell am I going to do?

I have a Jupiter ruled chart and have long accepted that I'm better suited to deal with my problems as they arise. 

How will the Saturn/Pluto square affect someone with an Aries Ascen/Pisces Sun and moon and venus in Capricorn?

It is extremely serious. Eventually Uranus in Aries will get involved as will Jupiter in Aries, faster moving planets in Cancer complete the cardinal grand cross which will effect ALL of us.The longer people stay in denial the worse it's going to be.

As with everything Neptune, when the veil drops, it drops and there you are except this time when veil drops it will reveal  an abnormally difficult situation.

My advice is grow up and head out of the sand, as in yesterday. 

Sorry to be so flippant. Sometimes I just can't help myself (the fatalistic stuff), I think it operates as a type of strategy for me. I'm prepared from the minute the battle presents. (Aries Mars opposed Pluto and SN in Aries).Something I've been struggling with lately is how much to allocate to my physical body and to my emotional body.

my physical body is in pain (chronic pain flare-up), happens once every 2ish years. It's probably a Saturn cycle for my body (8th House Saturn). and it conincides with stressful personal circumstances. i think part of my 'coping strategy' in terms of facing shit-hitting-fan is...I dunno. I just CANNOT plan. I don't even know how. If someone offered a chart service based on Saturn...ie a personalized Saturn report, I'd pay. Because I'd like that. 

I have a suggestion though...something I think will help with this transit: thinking about what we're here for. what is our role in this (Libra) and what kind of unconscious (Pluto) presentation into the public/capricorn sphere this will have. Will I be a woman or will I be a mouse?

So I think about why I'm here...I think that I'm figuring out what my role is. Currently I think my role is as a creative person. I'm going to put myself out on a limb here and say that I want to be contributing to the future art cannon for the times we are living in. I want to make art that lasts. Will do my best to do it...I could try another role if it was asked of me but it hasn't yet.

Doesn't alot of Cardinal mean change? Wow, a Cardinal cross? That's serious!

Holy camoly, I didn't think there would be any planets in Cancer.

I've been preparing for something like this for a while but if we lose our house, just stick a fork in me. :(

InteriorCastle, I read your comment then checked out your user name and wondered if there was a connection for you between the two? I love the idea of an interior castle.

 http://books.google.com/books?id=zQOPWScxlmgC

My grandmother was named for St Teresa of Avila & I was named after my grandmother.

Actually, I'm named after both of my parents because both wanted to name me after their mother.

kash, you come across just fine - always, never seen you come across anything but.

interiorcastle-i love it. thanks for the link. and welcome:)

sorry i'm a bit paranoid, my mind's  in a whirlwind (transiting Mars and Pluto to Merc), hopefully for not too much longer!

kash, i liked that thought....what role in the public sphere will i present....(saturn in libra/pluto in cap)

will i be a woman or will i be a mouse made me laugh, but in all seriousness, i think it is excellent way of looking at what this crunch can hold and or illuminate in our lives

 and i agree with elsa, i never perceive your comments as flippant....just honest

hope your flare up passes quickly

interiorcastle... thanks for linking to the book reflecting your name

i'm interested in reading that

thx lindsey!! interiorcastle i forgot to say i really hope you don't lose your house. 

Hey Kashmiri, I hear you on the inability to plan. I have a neptunean and jupiter chart and no earth so growing up is a hard concept for me to truly grasp. Moving on, having faith I can understand. And the depth is hard too. I made a choice I thought was right but am not sure.. but then am sure. Happy and deeply content but lost at the same time. Like swimming in the sea. If you don't think of the sharks then you're fine.. until you start thinking of the sharks.

The last time those planets opposed, my health got so bad, I had to take a break from college because I was in such physical pain ;_; 

I'm from the Saturn conjunct Pluto generation so I'm a bit worried.

hey mimi, can you link to the article you are referring? thanks!

I read this morning on www.aquariuspapers.com:

"during this Saturn square Pluto period, if our inner Saturn doesn't know how to relate to the ongoing larger transformational energies symbolized by Pluto, then we'll experience friction and/or conflict. If our inner Saturn knows how to adjust to the dynamic relationship symbolized by the square, then we'll find a degree of effectiveness while turning corners and releasing seeds of potential. Transiting Saturn may symbolize the on-going challenges, but our inner Saturn determines whether we'll indulge forms of mental slavery or do what we must to demonstrate our response-ability."

This FAR better explains what I was hoping to convey but was unable to. With any difficult Saturn transit I think a person can benefit from looking at their own Saturn. For myself I'm thinking about my relationship to Saturn. 

Liz I'm glad I'm not the only person who doesn't know how to plan, I wish I could but it seems when I do my plans go down the crapper. Was going to go into nursing, then failed biology. Was going to be a library technician and then got kicked out of the program because I couldn't pay tuition on time. Was going to go to Petra then my friend died, and on and on...my life is one change of course to the next and I can feel inadequate about it or I can just accept I'm not in the driver seat...I can just do my best to show up when the universe asks me to, not shirk my responsibilities and have FAITH. But there is faith, and there's blind faith. I think it pays dividends to an individual to figure out for themselves which is which. 

Kash: I read somewhere on a metaphysical site that with the dramatic shifting energies of the planet at present that it will be impossible to plan ahead. Trust in the Universe that when plans don't pan out it is the Universes way of guiding you to someplace better. It's very hard to take that perspective when it happens. So, I guess we just get thru each day and try to keep our lives in order, our bodies fed and pampered -Put everything you have into today.  

Also FYI for everyone: With these intense shifting energies it's very important that we think, feel and act positive. The lag time for manifestation is almost zero. So, thoughts are things, words are wands and mental images are powerful contributors to your daily life. I know it's hard to be positive all the time but keep these facts in mind. You are writing your life every day with your mind.

Hi all,

Just some rambling thoughts. 

I have had 76 hard aspects (conjunction, square and opposition) from Pluto to every planet and angle of my chart, add the transits by Saturn and the number goes into the hundreds as it has been conjunct, square or opposite every planet and angle twice and then some. Still here forging ahead.

Thing is, we cannot tell if any of these transits signify the end of us or not. Most of the time they do not. Just a difficult period we get through, maybe a little worse for wear and maybe a little wiser.

We can't push the planets around but neither can they us. Try to use them as signposts as to what the road ahead is like and do your best to prepare for it -easy or hard. Success is when preparation meets opportunity. Most will live to somewhere around the normal life expectancy. I thought I was so wild that I would never live to be 18, then 21, then 30. After that I stopped thinking about it and here I am almost 69.

Trying to get a handle on why this square has not shown up more than it has in the charts I was looking at. Got a few ideas and will post them in another thread.

Bob

Also not great at planning. And once something awful happens, I'm fast to get moving -- maybe too fast at times. Better to be the goat and hold steady....

My natal Cancer planets are mid-sign but.....

Ugh. The summer was so awful, I really don't want more awful, please God? I like what was said above about staying positive.

With Uranus and Jupiter moving into Aries, it will be an 8th House world for me...

I think that we should think (hmm, odd) about the Pluto/Saturn square with an eye on the last Pluto/Saturn opposition. As everything is constantly evolving, it's hard to pick a point in time as a crisis. By the way, at the last Pluto/Saturn opposition we were looking at 9/11. This is the first real challenge to what happened then...the big picture..

Ah, Man plans, God laughs..

((Kash)) As far as plans going down the crapper, I get it. Mine certainly have. May there be a new start ahead.

It's always something.