Liz

I find myself with a collision example. I have relocated home which is a small canadian city and have been trying to get work in my field so as to stay close to family and rebuild. Today there is a job posting I qualify for .. it's for a VOD/PPV channel that shows HustlerTV and PenthouseTV. Do I apply and become a contributor to porn which I don't agree with but get to make money (saturn in libra) or pass it up due to my capricorn morality? Apply anyway and see what happens? I have scorpio ruling my 2nd. Will my morals and reputation die to make money and bring me security? I argue that at least it isn't an actual porn company. But it's not like i'll be able to put much of what i work on on my demo reel. :P

daisy

Hi Liz

What about school?  Next tough question,  Can you feel secure if you have no morality? Something I always ask myself to help make a decision.  I have 2 girls and I would always ask myself,  If one of my daughter told me, what I am about to say or do,  would I be proud of them for doing what I am about to do.  Boy is that ever an eye opener. 

WanderingStar

So your options are:

A)  Money and no demo reel or reputation/morals, or

B)  Morals but no money OR reputation (due to being unemployed) and still no demo reel

It depends.  How badly do you need the money?  If you take the job and land an interview for a second job, how well can you spin the upsides  (e.g., I took the job to keep my skills sharp, became more professional and detached in those circumstances, I'm interviewing for this new job because its closer to my true calling than PPV, etc.), and how likely is that to work?

P.S.--saw your website, looks like you already did work for SexTV; will this PPV gig really make a difference?

isthmus

If you walk into the situation thinking you're compromising your morality for $$, I think there is no doubt that your morals will suffer. But is that an accurate assessment of the situation?

I've always wanted to work with marginalized communities, but to be honest, it's the corporate environment which has trained me best in a lot of important skills I need to do community development. I probably wouldn't have learned these skills if I had just stuck with environments where I was comfortable in, and dealing with people who share my worldview. In putting myself in various corporate environments (and not necessarily getting paid better mind you), I've gained a much more nuanced understanding of the business world which has helped me to be able to better criticize its weaknesses in discourse/practice AND to recognize its strengths. If the respect is there (that's critical), you can learn so much from working with people whose perspectives, values and morals are different than your own.

However, if you find Hustler etc. 100% unredeemable and are just doing it for the $, I say that's problematic. Always be wary of putting a price on your values and boundaries because when you do that, it's just a question of bargaining them down.

isthmus

p.s. w/all due respect, I would suggest that perceiving the situation as a trade off in values or money is not helpful. If you narrow and simplify a complex situation to two small tradeoff situations, you're going to lose either way.

Tam

Just be someone that you can be proud of because you have to live with you 24 hours a day. Don't worry what anyone else might think.

I stayed in a miserable job for the money and benefits. Pluto transit got me out of there. I wish I had left of my own accord.

Liz

Thanks for your thoughts guys. I really appreciate them.

Daisy; School is still an option and this dilemma does point me to go in and find out about the steps to apply. And I too use the kid measure.. but I don't have kids.. and have a closing window of time in order to have them; hence my dilemma to take any work to get back on track. Right now I'm living with my parents.

WanderingStar; SexTV was a documentary show about various elements of sexuality. It included interviewing producers of porn but also abstinence advocates and the like. Which is shown on my Demo. More a titilating show that discussed sexuality in it's various forms. So when I'm interviewing I can spin it because it wasn't about porn. I loved it because it had that edge. But promoting porn is more akin to supporting exploitation of women. So it would depend on being able to get into another position having picked up new skills.

Isthmus; I think I'm mostly concerned with my reputation, and with the environment I'd be working in. Ottawa is a more conservative city than Toronto - where I worked for SexTV - so there's more of a chance of encountering machismo and sexist men. I turned down anything related to porn while in Toronto. I can be open minded but also am protective of myself and my reputation. I'd have to really be able to spin it in an interview.. so would have to really know why i'm taking it - and it would have to be for more than a paycheck. Something to think more on. Thank you.

Thing is when I worked in news I always had moral ambiguity - how could i work on something that promotes fear? Just to leave it for a wonderful gig with no ambiguity which ended after 2 years - which was during my saturn return. My next job was in Entertainment News which again I had mixed feelings for since it was making fun of people. It seems I can accept my complex feelings and take work offered and have a full life.. or wait for the right shows to work on that I don't feel are a waste of airspace but possibly not have kids etc due to less income and less security. hmm

 

neva

As a person who works in the business myself, I can safely say that you can keep your morals and self-integrity intact and work in that industry. Unless you are a performer, it's an office environment like any other, and you will have pieces for your book/reel that you can show, and there will be some things you won't want to. 

If I'm a hardheaded Capricorn, I'd be USING this opportunity to grab dollars, further my own aims, and serve my own interests that includes being close to my family. In any case, applying is not accepting, so one moral quandary at a time. :)

I'm not a Cap, but if you're going to be a bloodless businessperson, just look at the bottom line and not your feelings. I do have Pluto rising, Saturn in the 8th and Eros conjunct the Midheaven. ;)

user

This is an interesting question to me, because I spent YEARS trying to live my beliefs. But I found that moral ambiguity exists everywhere. Perhaps that is because I have Pluto on the IC, I don't know.

Anyway, even when I was a congregation-based community organizer, even THAT job was morally ambiguous. We helped people work for justice, yet we always had to angle it in a way that allowed us to get grant money, which sometimes meant we had to do things in a less effective way. Amongst the organizers, sexism and machismo was rampant. Some of the congregations were quite homophobic, working with some churches that would not allow females to become priests.

I am not advocating an "anything goes" mentality. Only pointing out that the world has it's inevitable share of dirt. True, pornography is a haven for abused people with low self-esteem (not all, but many). It's a tough call. I'm curious to know how it works out for you. Good luck.

 

satori

like user, I don't advocate an anything goes mentality.  my viewpoint on such things is--  a job is a job.  and a job is a stepping stone to other, better jobs.  if you really hate the idea of it, don't do it.  many jobs have distasteful associations.  there are many jobs a person wouldn't choose, given other options.  but in the end, if you need the money, a job is a job.

daisy

Hey Liz,

Hang in there, I know this next comment has nothing to do with astrology, but check out Maslows hierarchy of  needs.  It is an interesting concept.  The explanation of Wiki is a good basic begining understanding of becoming self actualized,  I often try to place myself on the pyramid, figure out what I got and what I need.  Then I try to use my chart as a buttress on how to get there, or protect where I am at. 

Remember any experience good or bad,  makes us stronger and who we are and who we are to be.  Because sometimes when it seems the universe is against us,  it really is looking out for us and is working in our own best interest.  But we mere mortals just can't see the big picture at the time.  

Crazy people don't ask, Am I nuts.   Sexual deviants don't ask, Am I a pervert.   You are asking all the right questions to make your own right answers. 

Shine on sister.  you will be fine, and you will get by with a little help from your friends.

Lindiloo

Liz,

Ask a question of a group of very diverse individuals and inevitably you'll get a host of differing views. Mine is utterly irrelevant, what matters is if you're happy, we're happy. You're a good person, that shines through.

 There was a time in my life when I had to earn for the whole family and a massive opportunity came up to do just that, but to many here it may seem like I "sold out"..actually I didn't.. I went in and raised awareness and the very community who I feared might reject me, applauded me quite publicly..and allowed and encouraged me to be a respected voice. I earned a lot, so I supported a lot of people/projects outwith my own circle. I use past tense because after nearly two decades,the contract ended, as my own chart suggested, and am so grateful for that era. Life's simpler now, and if I am honest, I prefer that, but absolutely no regrets.. heck, the fun stories I could tell..one day I will. 

Judge not...lest ye be judged.. just shine.. I've only ever had one adverse critique from a fellow astrologer who as it happens, lives alone and in great comfort in an ivory tower ..very alone, while my life is here on the ground..

Oh forgive me for this wee humorous note.. astrology is the second oldest profession is it not?  .. 

Dorothy

That's a tough one - I personally (not in anyway judging, honestly) could not work for such a company.  That's just me.

One thought I had is if you knew of any of the women who might all ready work there.  If you could find out the work environment there towards women in general.  I know almost any work place can have uncomfortable conditions for women, but it would be good if you could find out if that is the case here.  Honestly, I have no idea if it would - women may flourish here, get promoted, etc.  It's just that in general porn is a pretty male/macho business.

Believe me I get needing a job, and you may as well just apply, and see what happens.  It still gives you time to make your decision. 

isthmus

Liz, I hope things work out well for you! Also, it's not related, but I thought SexTV was a great show.

denamaria

Interesting question....I just heard today on the radio that one of the fastest growing markets now is women buying porn.  It is a surprising climb, from what I heard, so there you go.....you went home to be near family and rebuild.....there is an ad for a job that you qualify for, but it's porn.....go get the job and make some money and spend some good time with your family....

Liz

 

Saturn in libra and pluto in capricorn.

I have 2 libra cats. One is orange - Dante - and the other gray - Dusty. Dante tends to be more independent. They both were indoor only cats, but Dante is the one who loves to try to get out.. well moreso than his brother who is more my lapcat. So i moved out here to the country and due to a hole for my mom's cat Dante has been in heaven being outside. I've been worried but he was so happy and i've been focused on finding work. Plus the hole is difficult to get at and difficult to block.. i've tried.  So it was on my "to do" list. Dusty has no interest in the scary outdoor world.. were dogs can lick him.

On monday Dante came home with a small hole in his left shoulder and his arm puffed up. Took him to the vet and got medicine which took the swelling down. Now there is an absess so he had to get a small operation to put in a tube to drain it and has a cone around his head so he can't lick it. :( for 5 days. Dusty feels neglected because all my focus is on Dante. So both libra cats, and myself for the vet fees are saturned.. and it's life or death. He has to have this absess go down or he could end up dying. All he wants is the damn cone off. And purrs and acts so libra to get me to do it. But it's not working. Saturn. He's since become a bit more resigned. 

Not sure what the hole is from. Doesn't look like a bite. Looks more like a bullet hole. Vet suggested he got caught on a stick or shot by a beebee gun. No more outdoors for him. 

Hope it's not a bite because i hadn't gotten around to updating his shots :/ I'm praying it all comes out right in the end. 

wyrdling

bunch of accidents tonight.  big ones.  avoiding one i almost hit a dog- ran right out in the street in front of me.  luckily i have good brakes.  twice people almost drove into me walking back to my car, when i had right of way... luckily i stopped....