I've a bit of Scorpio and I generally sense it in others.

If they're male it raises my hackles and typically causes acompetitive feeling. I want nothing to do with them.If forced to interact it's with veiled threat, no emotionsand I control the alpha role. I close off all non-verbalchannels of communication.

If they're female it's more complicated. We spend a lot oftime circling each other like two wolves. We seem to be establishingsome non-verbal rapport. We either become friendsor establish a sorta chilly, superficial co-existence.

Do others experience this? I ask because I'm trying to determine if this is character flaw of mine or just an intrinsic part of my nature. I'd like to think of it as a survival skill.

Julian, I think that is exactly right.

Hey Julian,

It certainly could be a Scorpio trait- I have a good friend who is a Super Scorpio (Asc/Sun/Mercury/Venus & Mars, with Moon in Capricorn) who seems to make other people very nervous for no foreseeable reason. Men are put off/threatened by him and women seem intrigued but suspicious. He's never admitted to doing it on purpose, it just seems to be his lot in life.

Hi Julian,

Just wondering wheres your mars? Any aspects you'd like to share? This sounds like scorpio/mars behavior.  Ive got a scorpio stellium myself but its centered around venus and I always fall in love with scorpio people.

Wait sorry, did you mean around other scorpio people or just people in general? cause yeah people in general get the psychic shut down from me if they do not recognize my "supreme powers" :)

A BIT???  :) 

 Yeah I think it's a Scorpio thing and you've described it well.  I tend to notice that sort of energy in other people and I have a "bit" myself.  

How I react to men who excude that kind of energy depends whether they are sexually available or not.  I am very very careful to contain my own Scorpio energy if it would be inappropriate to express it. 

With women it is more like what you've described above.  I tend to form my closest friendships with women who have some depth and power but there must be integrity there as well.  I don't waste my energy on people who would betray me in some way or create unnecessary drama so I try to get a handle on where they are coming from right away.  That part applies to men as well as women really.

Notatirem,

 Your handle sounds Latin. Does it mean anything?

Mars is Libra in 4th house. I was thinking the Libra keeps me from ripping their heads off.

I meant just around other Scorpios. I pick up their vibe. Non-Scorpios don't bother me and I don't bother them.

Lupa, interesting.  I can relate to what you said about energy containment.

Notatirem - you always make me laugh!

I have scorpio rising and sun conjunct mars and pluto.   I get on well with scorpio women - I recognise that integrity and depth.  It's what I need in friendship.  My best friend is very gemini/aquarius but she has mars opp pluto so that depth is there.

Scorpio men - it is just a battle of wills.  They want to dominate and I don't want to be dominated - stalemate.  However, when I split with one scorpio man I knew that I didn't have to worry about closure.  We both just amputated.  On the one occasion there was contact a long time after there was just respect on both sides.

I relate to feeling wary of some people though - sometimes you can sense something and it's easier to just keep politely skimming the surface...

Bwah, this has never happened with me (Scorpio rising). I get along with Scorps like we're PB&J. Doesn't matter on gender, as I have a good chunk of Scorp sun female friends (and ex-boss). As for the men, they generally like me too as long as I didn't make them mad. Then it's Squishing Time. (Okay, that might have had to do with Mars/Saturn synastry with my dad.) Though with my Scorp ex I made it very clear that if he did that to me I was outta there.

Is it an insecurity JulianWinter? I know the Scorpio/Pluto energy can be intense to most people, especially Non-Scorps. So usually you don't have to worry about Non-Scorps stepping on your toes.

When it comes to facing people with the SAME strong/intense energy as you, you may feel insecure because you want to make sure your power is on top and not theirs. So you having lots of Scorpio energy, you know exactly how another Scorp may act. Putting you in the position to cut off the other Scorp or always trying to "size them up" like two wolves.

There is three levels to a Scorpio. The Scorpion, the Eagle and the Phoenix. Embrace more of the energy of the Eagle,  where you already KNOW you have the power within youself, you don't have to prove that you are the Alpha male.

I too have LOADS of Scorpio. (Scorp rising,Sun,Saturn,Pluto. Pluto Square Mars and my Moon in the 8th house, which is Scorps house.) I have done similar things and I can tell you, that when Im completely secure and empower myself, I dont have to prove anything to anyone. and I never will.

I hope this helped.

Its my first name spelled backwards.  Meritaton (sometimes spelled meritaten, but my mom changed it for numerological reasons, haha) was the daughter of Akhenaten.  It means "Beloved one of the light."

In regards to the scorpio thing...Scorpio loves to fuck with people because they see it as like a cosmic duty to initiate change or "tranformation."  But Scorpio will NOT be fucked WITH.  I feel sorry for the soul who tries, yikes!  I think you both (you and the other scorpio in question) know from experience (concious or not) that when two scorpions get together it has the potential to end in mutual demise, as in you both stick your stingers in and you'd rather die than be the one to let go.  You know that you can't touch each other without both of you changing and that robs you of your seat of power as the director of transfomation, because after the interaction you are not the same person who initiated that change anymore...damn.

Oh And Libra is such a narccissist, Libra Mars gets aroused by its own image.  It loves to shadow box. 

My Aries husband & i (Scorp rising with Mars-Mercury conjunct ASC) both have Mars in Scorpio sq Pluto and other than a few mild skirmishes very early in the relationship, we rarely argue. We're going on 19 years together.

thing is we didn't negotiate or discuss this, we just did it. We are both pretty secure in knowing if we need to we can annihilate the opposition, so why bother. Neither of us feel we have anything to prove either . . . 

Scorpio pities the fool.

*giggles*  I'm only a rising.  Me and the lady scorpios usually become insta-best friends.  Me and the male scorpios.....ahem.  *blush*  Well, we generally prefer a speed-of-light interaction as well.

Bretagne,

Thanks for the comment. The feeling is more like that between the immortals in the movie 'The Highlander.' I think I've sorted it out now.

Lexie, you must be some thing to behold.   

As someone with a stellium in Scorpio, I cannot imagine becoming 'insta' friends w/ ANYone not even Jesus Christ himself.  Just would take some warming up and serious investigations (YES, plural) first.  'Friendly' acting, yes, I can do that, but FRIENDS in every sense of that word? 

Later, maybe. BIG MAYBE!!! 

Insta?  Umm. NO! No Way, No How, Not Even on Sunday with please and sugar on top!  Nobody gets in to see the Wizard that easy! N.O.B.o.d.y.!!

Dreams, I can understand that.  I have a way about me that tends to make people comfortable.  They see me as mature and trustworthy fairly instantly.  I have a very open face.  It's somewhere on these forums....Anyway, I never really push my galfriends and that, combined with the above, is why I think we get so close so easily.

Plus, most members of my family have strong scorpio traits, and I just...understand them from growing up around it.   But I never EXPECT anyone to love me instantly.  I just feel blessed it does happen sometimes.

DreamsAreality- Your funny. thats great. Where is the Stellium in your chart?

And Im computor retarded and cant put up Pics but here you go Dreams, this is for you, the illusive wizard. (note the Skulls)

Bretagne, thanks!  Like that medusa'ish hair as well! ...seems Dina had it covered pretty well I thought.

I love DreamsAreality's take on insta-friends. That's pretty much what my Scorpio in the 11th is alllll about.

Bretagne, that pic is stunning!

Julianwinter - The only Scorps I've been around in RL lately are happily married men, so we actually made acquantiances fairly easily in rather innocuous social settings.  A female Scorp would certainly come under much closer scrutiny for longer than these guys did and a male Scorp who was a boss or of the higher work echeleon would be given the 'go-overs' in a more intense study.  I think you are correct - it is an excellent survival skillset.  Leary at the very least.  Reminds me of what Reagan used to say, 'Trust but Verify."  Trust is a pretty strong word, but verification seems the wiser part of a long life strategy.  I prefer giving folks the 'short-term benefit of the doubt' until I can verify!

This picture kind of explains my philosophy...

http://screamcauseariot.xanga.com/photos/53a93196513652/

WOW! "We spend a lot of time circling each other like two wolves. We seem to be establishing some non-verbal rapport. We either become friends or establish a sorta chilly, superficial co-existence."

this describes exactly the relationship that has come about between myself and a highly Scorpionic Male. We both possess strong Pluto/Scorpio themes in our charts and at first meeting it was like all this stuff was going on. It's almost like we're both sniffing the other out, but nobody's willing to give in and be the first to put something out there. You know what I mean?

Weird and very unsettling to say the least!

Julian--yeesss, so true!

My sag moon tends to temper my scorp energy, in some ways.

Meritaton... ahhhh!!... shit... you know what? I googled "Nota Tirem" yesterday because I was convinced it was some kind of cryptic message in either Italian or Spanish.

Scorpio moon, just about falling over.

What makes this even funnier: I changed my profile name here and was THISCLOSE to doing my first name backwards but I didn't feel it was enough of a "cover" because my name is short.

Aw, hell.

I have no problem using a slightly stylised version of my own name, because I don't appear on any google searches, aside from two whole links, which don't really reveal anything...

*Redacted*--Bretagne covered it pretty well above, no need to repeat it here.

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WOW! "We spend a lot of time circling each other like two wolves. We seem to be establishing some non-verbal rapport. We either become friends or establish a sorta chilly, superficial co-existence."

this describes exactly the relationship that has come about between myself and a highly Scorpionic Male. We both possess strong Pluto/Scorpio themes in our charts and at first meeting it was like all this stuff was going on. It's almost like we're both sniffing the other out, but nobody's willing to give in and be the first to put something out there. You know what I mean?

Weird and very unsettling to say the least"

Unbelievable.  I too had a short fling with an Aquarius whose ascendant is Scorpio, Mars in the first house, Pluto conjunct ascendant.  While I, on the other hand am a Sag but I have Mars, Pluto, and Mercury all in Scorpio.  My Mars and Pluto are conjunct.  Needless to say, we straight up fucked with each other's heads.  BIG time.  It was the biggest, longest mind game I have ever played.  He just kind of disappeared after lying to me, and knew he wouldn't get away with it, because hey, I'm pretty damn Scorpio too... And I guess he thought it was best we end this little shenanigan before one of us, or both of us ended up really hurting each other.  Very heated.  Dark.  Sexy.  But not something I would be able to base a relationship off of, and he straight up told me "I'm not what you want, you just like to play and I'm someone who can play your game just as well as you do."  Well I'll be damned.... :)  Lovely.

Julian, do you find it useful to somehow defuse the Highlander tension?  If so, what do you do?  Do you visualize, think about, or feel something?  What?

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Welcome, Scorp in a Suit! :)

Well thank you!  It's good to be here :-)

julianwinter,

I'm a Scorpio male, but my repulsion of males is not strictly for fellow Scorpios--I personally don't care much for males, for numerous reasons that would take up too much space here...

Anyways, I generally feel a repulsion toward most of the male species, the only exceptions being males I've known for a long, long time--95% of which are family or family friends.  Even some of those I don't care to spend much time around.  Females are all I care to associate with, since the male species doesn't interest me in the slightest.

But there are a few Scorpio girls I know that I get along with, but feel a definite invisible barrier that gives me an unspoken impression of just how close they will allow me to get.  I'm not the kind of person to impose my will or self on others, so I naturally keep my distance anyways.