What is the astrology behind suicide?
Which of the personal planets our effected and how?

Do you think suicide is a persons personal right? Or is it a crime against life as a whole, not just the self? I realize the karma involved, but I want to see what others think truly, deeply about the personal act itself.
I'm pretty sure I couldn't cary out the task, but I personaly feel completely out of touch with reality and don't feel as if I belong anywhere or with anyone.so a question raises in me- if I was a accident to 18 year olds, and I have natal aspects that say I'm Just one big pressure cooker that is to be held down, I can't help but wonder how or why I'm here. The world wouldn't miss someone who is rebelious, sarcastic, aloof, defiant, slow, emotional and inconsistant on evrery level. I can't fit in unless I submit, "become submissive", or mold to what's expected.
It just makes me want to rebel even more and push further and further away! But anways, back to suicide-, what you think of that act??

Here is my theory about suicide ironically from my Feminist Theory class.

Anyone who loses the ability to live out the life because that lifestyle is "abject" and tries to then cut away whatever doesn't fit and live a "normal" life tends to end up hopeless and unfulfilled. If they aren't truly living, what is the difference between doing that and being dead?

I think it's a violent act people commit against themselves because they succumb to what society restrains and puts upon them.

Personally I think it involves Saturn and Neptune. Possibly Mars.

Difference between being dead, maybe you think because you the are dead, unaware, unfeeling of the loss and pain. ...? Or your just born to the same issues again till u learn to deal w it....

a rejection of life, the world, people, your environment, your choices...

any which way, it's an ultimate form of rejection.

I think it is every person's right to choose when to end their life.

However, they should bear in mind the consequences it will have for those to whom they are close.

Don't know about the astrology, don't have the heart to get into it.

What korellyn said.

Connections between 8th and 1st house like 8th ruler in the first house. Plus Pluto aspects to asc.

I think sometimes people go so far into darkness that they can't find the light any more. Sometimes it takes more courage or may seem harder to live and to change or fix things than it does to die.

Two people in my life have successfully committed suicide. A third was stopped by me, twice.. once he took an overdose and the second time he was slicing himself with a knife in a locked room and I had to talk my way in.

A few weeks ago I had to talk yet another friend down from it as she was really not in a good place and told me that all she could think about was ending it. Thankfully she didn't.

I don't know the astrology of it, but I think anyone can be driven to thoughts of it if things get bad enough, none of us are immune, no matter how much we may think we are and sometimes the edge is closer than we know.

Such a huge topic & a very sad one =(

I agree with what @GW has said... "I think sometimes people go so far into darkness that they can't find the light any more. Sometimes it takes more courage or may seem harder to live and to change or fix things than it does to die".

I think heavy Saturn & Pluto, either Natally or by Transit, can have a HUGE impact. They grind a person down & exhaust them to a point where they loose all hope.

I think it IS every persons right to end their life, but it's personal obviously, & everyone will have a different view on this.

It's a horrible thing to have happen, to those who have been left behind.

Syb, You can look at my chart with transits from the day of my suicide attempt to see if you see anything that would indicate. I agree a lot with what Egi says. There are several related threads on the boards as well that may give you some insight. Of course, this is my natal chart with transits. Doesn't take into account progressions. Which, in my opinion, would probably be significant. But, I haven't looked at that yet.

Personally, I've never been able to pinpoint anything astrologically. I believe it is a culmination of factors as with any death or significant event in one's life.

Sorry I thought I posted the wrong one for a second.

anyway, seeing mars to jupiter and mars to sun

I find Jupiter is very telling in mine.

I don't think there is anything specific that can say but I think it could show an outline.

Needless to say, I struggle(d) with suicide a lot. Not wanting to actually go through with it minus that one serious attempt, but I lose hope rather easily. So I can understand the pressure of it.

I think a lot of people don't understand just how long people who commit suicide usually have been trying to resist.

Clinical depression is never easy to deal with. It's a physical illness just as much as a mood disorder. I don't think most people who are on the brink of a serious attempt have the mental function to talk themselves out of it at times if they are having an episode. The "hope" light simply gets switched off. The reasoning simply shuts down and only the pain and endless hopelessness remains. 

I'd say most people stick around with the lingering feelings for years before they actually do it. Other people just don't realize it because most depressed people tend to put on a bright face about it, IMO. I know I do.

((Egiyablu))

The "hope" light simply gets switched off.

yes. For me, there was a vast feeling of bringing relief to my family. As in, they would be better off without me. Plus, this was a very violent day for me on top of that which had actually been ensuing over a couple of days with a partner who was telling me what a hindrance I was. By this time, I was exhausted..devastated..trapped and lost.

I feel Jupiter was a player for me as well as Neptune (because it always is).

I don't go to that "place" anymore. And, I hope that anyone who ever feels like they are in this position will reach out..to someone..anyone..if at all possible. For the family members left behind with a circumstance like this, I just don't know what to say. I've seen it. May you find the answers you need.

And, here is a third chart, from my son's friend this past fall. I don't know his birthtime, so house placements and angles are not correct.

also shows fairly close contacts with Jupiter to Mars

Hard saturn aspects (in transit) leads to feelings of being alone and being unloved. It is a 'cold, harsh world out there.'
Harsh neptune aspects leads to drifting away from reality, wanting to escape it all.

I see t. saturn in Josi's 1972 chart, but nothing harsh from Neptune.

I mentioned Neptune in regard to my chart for 2 reasons. First, It is squaring the midpoint of my mars/uranus conjunction which is a very reactive point for me. It is also squaring my chiron in aries...another reactive point. It is tranisiting my 12th in retro bringing up "memories" of insecurity and rejection. Plus, I was also heavily medicated. At the time, I was taking Xanax, Zoloft, Ambien and Ativan. Perscribed by my doctor in rather copious amounts.

Which brings me to my next point. I do feel that, for some people, anti-anxiety meds and anti-depression meds may be helpful. But, I would question any prescription of them without a referral to adjunct therapy or counseling. If your doctor does not give you a referral, ask for one. If the counselor does not mesh with your needs for whatever reason, find another one.

At the follow up appt with my psychiatrist after my attempt and a 72 hour stint in a psych ward (who did not offer counseling but instead offered a new or stronger prescription following each visit when I tried to discuss what was going on in my head--nor did he visit me as in inpatient in the ward) he laughed, in an off-handed way, and said, "I can't believe this happened. You are the healthiest patient I have."

I never went back.

ETA:

sorry, those were trines with Neptune to Mars/Uranus. Not squares

I'm very interested in this as well. My little brother committed suicide in 2010. Since I'm still new here I've not figured out how to post a chart in the thread.

He was a Scorpio Sun on MC which was unaspected aside from an inconjunct (i think) to Jup in Aries. He was a Cap rising with Saturn in his 7H. Pluto was transiting his 12H at the time of his death. TSaturn was in his 8H 5deg from NPluto. I think having his Sun without major aspects of any kind was hard for him, in retrospect, I realize he didn't feel supported in lots of ways.

Anyway, I've tried to look at both his chart (the exact time of death is unknown) and I've also looked at my chart for the transits at the time that I found out about his death. But I've not been able discern much from either chart yet.

ETA - T.Neptune was conj T.Chiron at the end of his 1H. TMoon had also just passed over his N.Sun. His N.Neptune is in his 11H in Sag and well aspected.

As far as what I think of suicide.... my feelings are so conflicted. I am still very angry at my little bro for leaving me behind. I'm left in a family with siblings who are judgmental and not accepting of me (or him even in death), at least when he was here we were a united front to our older siblings. I understand (kinda) why he did it. He was unemployed and depressed. He was in an abusive relationship with a guy that regularly physically beat him. I know that he had attempted suicide before he actually succeeded. But I only found that out after it was too late for him.

I think that while he was suffering intensely, and possibly even more intensely than I can imagine, that his act was selfish. So many people really loved him and would have done everything within their power to help him rise above the challenges that were too much for him alone. He never told anyone other than his spineless dirtbag of a "lover", and that guy obviously didn't have the decency to let anyone in my brothers family know. My brother was supposed to come visit the next month, it would have been the first time he met my daughter. It angers me so much that he couldn't wait just a few more weeks. I'm sad, angry and miss him like hell.

As a person who was left behind by a loved ones suicide, please, anyone who ever considers suicide, please, if at all possible try to think about the pain you will cause others. Because while death will instantly end your pain, those that love you will be in pain until they die. I know my little brother couldn't think of anyone beyond himself and the immense pain he was in, I get it "the hope light gets shut off". But reach out. Somewhere out there is someone who cares and will try to help.

(((((luckyduck)))))

I am so very sorry for your loss.

I'd imagine having Pluto in the 12th must have been very tough on him, indeed even without having Saturn transiting the 8th AND over his Pluto. 

I don't think charts give all the answers. It's such a personal thing to the person, I don't think it's possible for everyone to know what moments that trigger it or what has built up. But I can see he probably wasn't in the easiest place emotionally. I'm sure he's in peace now with an untroubled heart and I'm sure he's still looking down on you.

((extra hugs))

@ egi - Thank you. I know he was having a rough time of it. I really thought he would pull through though. I hope that when you have dark times like that, that you are able to find some glimmer of light to keep going. We all have valuable things to share with the world.

I had shared with him some of the deeply private things I had been through, and hoped that showing him that I had indeed survived (and was even thriving) a situation similar to what he was in, that it would give him hope and strength. I do agree that suicide is a personal choice. But it's a shitty choice for those left to deal with the aftermath.

(((Everyone)))

Gosh I'm so sorry you all have been all to close to that feeling. Yes I can see how Mars and Jup are all to much around during these times. And the moon seems to be a victim as well with uranus or mars near it!

And damn!! Pluto transits freaken 12th!!! Omg, he's transiting my 5th, and that feels dreadful! I can't and imagine. My sister will have that in a few years, now that worries me...

I love life to much to end it, plus I want to see my baby grow prosper and live. But I hope I can stay strong and healthy so she's strong and healthy. I want her to be proud of me, not sad or disapointed.

interesting topic… ive got something to post… but Sun is transiting my House, opposing my pool! and ill get a nice tan!!!

BBL

@ Josi
according to Liz Greene Saturn book… Saturn/Venus contacts are really complicated. And The square the most common cause in suicides. Specially when one is not prone to introspection, one who will go in self understanding.

After that she mentions Saturn/Jupiter, as the second most common.

Before reading this book… i only thought about Pluto/Sun/Moon (square) contacts as suicidal.

but those aspects have the other side… really good understanding of the psychological side of them… one is able to help ppl love them self's, save relationships in Saturn/Venus… and dealing with the deep buried aspects of the self in Pluto/Sun/Moon as psychologist.

u can also think of Saturn/Venus as Saturn transiting Libra.

Yeah.. I can say Venus/Saturn sucks.

@ Egiyablu
i was going to edit it to include your Venus PERFECT inconjunction to Saturn

and Venus is your chart ruler… but u sure can be stronger than many regarding relationships, once u beat the shadow.

I was really moved by LuckyDuck's post. So sad indeed. I'm on the wrong side of the fence, though but I'd like to give my side of the story.

I came from a family where there was a lot of role assigning. And I was my father's daughter and my younger sister was my mother's, and my older sister who came from an earlier marriage of my mother's sort of floated in space. Part of my role was also the helpless, useless one (my mother assigned the roles).

When I was 13, my father died accidentally and my world literally fell apart. My mother started drinking heavily and playing Bach organ music all the time. The house was like  a funerary parlor. Because my mother felt shame about her drinking, she set up a barrage against visitors who might have supported us, so we were completely locked into the pain.

I have the Sun at 28°33' of Gemini in the 5th house forming an exact quincunx to Saturn in the 12th house at 28°33' of Capricorn. Well I tried to commit suicide on several occasions then because I was so devastated, but also because all the loving positive values my father had raised me with seemed to lose any meaning. Life no longer was what it pretended to be and I wanted no part in such a cruel game.

What led me to finally learn to confront my pain was the realization that no matter what I was going through, it wasn't fair to my remaining family for me to take the short way out. I started feeling guilty. But for many years I used drugs and alcohol to keep the pain at bay. But when you have a death wish, you call for death. So it came to me. When I was 24 I contracted HIV. It was 1985 and there wasn't a cure in sight. I'm a survivor of those terrible times. Have buried a lot of people I loved, some from suicide. But I think this direct brush with death (you have to bear in mind what sort of an immediate sentence it was in those days) is what taught me to respect life. Since then, I've slowly, painstakingly learned to love it.

In my view Saturn and Capricorn is very much related with depression. In this case of course, especially with Saturn in the 12th, the death of the father is pretty clearly indicated by it as well. But I learned one astrological fact of interest. Although quincunxes are considered as minor aspects, an exact one like mine what exactly the same, I believe, as an opposition.

May you be happy and at peace LuckyDuck.

One of my brothers tried to commit suicide and he has Moon square Saturn.

I agree with Jeanne B about how Saturn and Capricorn is related to depression.

@ Jeanne B ((hugs)) Thank you. I'm working on it. It's a day by day process for sure. Your story is moving as well. I was a teen in the mid80s and remember how scary AIDS was at that time. That must have been an extremely difficult time for you. I know that many people were discriminated against if they were known to be infected. So little was known at the time and without medications it really was a death sentence for many people.

I have a former good friend from childhood who tried to commit suicide several times as a teen. She has Saturn in her H8 and Pluto in H12. She has Cap IC and Cancer MC, her Mother ruled the household with a iron fist. Her Moon was in Gemini, and her mother certainly presented two very different people, there was the family side (scary and dark) and the public side which was very upstanding and vanilla.