Hi, ive never posted one of messags before, so I hope it lands in the right place. Ive always so badly wanted to contact someone else who has saturn in their 7th house. I was in my late 20's when I started wondering what the hell was going on in my life. Instinctively It felt as if I was not allowed a relationship. Every relationship experience I had seemed utterly fated. As I got older I did everthing from counsellors to self-help books to leaving it all to fate. Ive got to point many times where I was happy being by myself because everytime I tried to have a relationship, it ended up in so so much pain. Massive problems! that would leave my friends gasping at my bad luck.  People just do not know what to say to me anymore. Im all for taking on responsibility for personal choices ect, but I later found I had Saturn in my 7th house.

Im now nearly 42 and in fact in some respects its got worse. In my late 30's I developed a terrible disease of the bladder that makes sex in relationships almost impossible. The men I meet (who say they dont mind) tend to have lots of problems themselves which causes another lode of insurmountable obstacles. I get repeatedly dumped, deserted, lied to and messed about. Situations that look so promising on the suface are fraught with complications underneith. As a result I typically spend years on my own recovering from relationships, each time the recovery takes longer. It takes along time to get to the point where im really ok again.

I dont want to blame astrology for any personal faults or that I may have real deficiencis in coping with or choosing relationships. But, Im told by my good friends and family that I am not an unreasonable, nieve or demanding person to be with. Is this Saturn at its absolute worse in the 7th house? Is there any hope for my heart to get warmed up after all this icy coldness.

I met someone in August last year (after an eclipse actually). He is very different, in that he is older than me by about 14 years. But, he is also highly unusual character in that he has always lead a nomadic life style, no long term relationships either. Can anyone give me some encoraging storys about 7th house Saturn please! (Ps, Im a cancerian with libra rising, he is a libran, satrun returns to libra next year I think). Ellie

Hi Ellie,

I'm a Libra with a Saturn Sun conjunction, I also have hard time with relationships, but I do not blame saturn so much, I just think he leads me to a lonely lifestile, unless I find the "perfect relationship" wich satisfy my libra need for simmetry.

Maybe it will help to search more in other planets the behaving path you are dealing with.

Bye

Ellie- So sorry to hear about the struggles you've had with relationship.

I can't speak to your situation directly, but I can say that I have Saturn in the 7th, sq. my moon, and yes, there are defintiely challenges and it involves work. But it does work. I have been married, it will be 20 years in a few months, and am very happy. (I"m also around your age.) So it's doable.

I would suggest you get a paid consult with Elsa so she can look over your chart as a whole and help give you specific strategies for dealing with the entire picture of your chart, and how it all interacts. Elsa particilarly shines at giving specific, usable advice in such situations and I am willing to bet you'll feel both empowered and relieved at the end of your consult.

Thankyou so much, its really good to here about this from you both. Your situation is So encoraging Godess. It seems that durability and happiness is possible with this scairy plannet arround. Im wondering, if challenges, obstacles and responsibility are are characteristics of Satun in this portion of a chart, then a life of singledom as i had resigned myself to be (after living like Bridget Jones for years) might just be too easy. That would explain why relationhips come to me in the most unusual circumstances and especially when Im enjoying being alone. For example, I met the my current partner in a grave yard of all places!! Anyway, If the point is to deal with relationship issues, then I guess there will always be relationships to deal with. Ive been reading so much on the net and in books about Saturn, but in the end I just hearing from other people who are living/coping with Saturn in their 7th house is enlightening. I will definitely sort a chart out, because the charts Ive had before have glossed over this aspect. Elliej

Hi Ellie,

Your post was very interesting. I don't have Saturn in the 7th but wanted to tell you of a book that I found invaluable concerning Saturn. When my copy finally falls apart I will definitely replace it.

Saturn: A New Look at an Old Devil

by Liz Greene

If you use the link on

http://www.elsaelsa.com/

at the bottom right you can check it out at Amazon.com. If you use the link and purchase it from them it will give Elsa a small commission.

Best regards,

Daem

I do. I was married and got divorced. Then had some really crappy and hurtful relationships. And I feel the same way you do. You are not alone Ellie!

Ive been busy over the past 2 months reading just about everything I could get my hands on about Saturn in my 7th house. It's been a bit of an orderal. Like some accident you can take your eyes off, the more I read the more I thought I just dont want to know this stuff it's grim but I kept on reading.. Old texts and vedic is the worse. Like I had some kind of curse or Ive been given some sort of diagnosis. Then, learning more about the modern view and psychology involved in the natal chart I got back a bit hope. This has re-instated feelings of control over my life (my backround is psychology too).  Anyway, Im still not sure what the best is that can be hoped for under adverse astrological circumstances. For example, you can work on the tensions in you life by learing about your natal disposition, projection etc but what's the point if you have some maleific planet taking pot shots at you for your entire life.

All this inquiry and book searching has come about because my current (and rather new) relationship of 11 months is actually going really well. Thats not good! Lol! Im scared out of my tree because I keep thinking/reading that Im not astrologically alowed this kind of lucky break. My partner is much older yes very Saturn. But as far  as being a cold, controling high maintenence alcoholic who will marry for money not love. No way! So Im left wondering greaf is there left round the corner? Surely the "paintently enduring sadness" I keep reading about and that is predicted under this disposition will ensure that this lovely relationhip will all end in tears! Oh heavens, I realise that if he dosent leave me he will probably die pretty soon!.. perhaps I will finish with him to avoid the all pain Lol.

Im just joking, but myy point is that the whole Saturn thing is all getting a bit circular. Im getting all anxious and saturnian worring about it!  Afterall, im really stuffed I think. Apparently, my Saturn is in fall in Aries and to turn the screw a bit more I have this nasty little Lillith in there as well!! Does anybody know how lillith and Saturn get in together? Please tell me they dont kill each other in the end.

EllieJ - sounds like you have yourself on the merry-go-round heading towards a self-fulfilling prophecy.  I'd step off if I were you.  Meaning I'd either take the advice of getting a FULL reading of your ENTIRE chart from Elsa, or stop worrying about Saturn and start enjoying the relationship you do have. 

YOU HAVE A RELATIONSHIP - isn't that what you're saying you're lacking???  Huh?  You've got one.  Make the best of it!!!  Go girl!!! 

you have a choice:

you can soak up every negative thing you read re: saturn in the 7th, internalize all the worry, fear the shadow of impending doom and question every second of happiness you have from the relationship you've found until you have no joy left because you're constantly waiting for the other shoe to drop.

or you can accept the reality of YOUR experience and feel gratitude for the partnership and happiness you've found. with a partner who does, indeed, positively embody saturn qualities for goodness sakes. (that qualifies as an expression of the energy already!)

you don't need an astrology book to tell you what your experience is.

and besides: so what if it doesn't last forever? would you rather spend the time you are together treasuring this relationship, loving this man and living every bit your life there is to be lived...or experiencing fear and sadness obsessively ruminating over a currently nonexistant future grief? that teeters on self-fullfilling prophecy.

there is no question some people have hard lives in one or many areas, and it's expressed in their chart. but even the person with the hardest life there is will not necessarily be unhappy. just like elsa says, every gift is a curse in exact proportion and vice versa.

p.s. WAITING a long time for a partner is another expression of Saturn in the 7th. You may have already paid your dues. Lighten up on the worry and enjoy your man already, Dixie says (as if she had some Cardinal energy).

Yeah it's what's in your composite chart that matters anyway. Get Elsa to do up a composite with this man and get the real scoop.

This is brilliant, thanks guys I read and re-read all your comments. Learning about Saturn, scairy though it's been, has given me insight. Alot of it seems to be about seeing the consequences of the choices we make or facing the impact of how we handle our selves within relationships. Although there is a whole heap of complications or restiction that goes with Saturn, there also seems to be something very re-assuring about it. I think your left facing yourself in many ways. Uncomfortable yes, but I suppose you have to take responsibility for what you do even if in hindsight you have behaved like a total berk. You cant be manipulative, passive, neurotic or shrink away from responsibility in relationshis because if you do the consequences will be made very apparent. That alone seems to build an inner strength which is very real, mature and reliable

... I did get a composite chart done with my partner by a friend. That read like a greek tragerdy as well! So now Im off to study the chaos of Uranus and the fickle nature of a Moon in Gemini (not mine, his.. and that will be another post on the 'comitment phobic' board hey!). But your absolutely right, what ever happens you definitely have to live your life. And truly appreciate the good stuff when it arrives.... Ps, I also found out that David Bowie has Saturn in his 7th house and thats just about as hunky dory as it gets! 

How does one comment on a composite chart (me and hubby)? Sun in Sag/Moon & Venus in Scorpio all in the 7th  house? Is this a greek tragedy, or just a union where we plod along dragging the burden and albatrosses behind us? I'm really concerned? Are we doomed?

We've been married for 22 years and together for 25. I need some input.  Thanks. 

Hi Ellie,
Just came across your post as I'm new. I can totally relate, though I do not have Saturn in any of my houses. Though as a Virgo, I have had it hovering like a Flying Pig over a Crack House! Man, I wish we could blow this planet out of the solar system! It seems to serve no good purpose (though, I'm sure it does somehow).

Since your story is so similar to mine with both health and romance problems long-term, I'm wondering if yours is something other than Saturn in the 7th house. Are you a Virgo? I agree you should have Elsa do you full chart. I plan to do the same soon.

As a side note, I suffered from chronic urinary tract infections and just discovered I have a urinary fistula caused by a Vespa/Scooter accident almost 5 years ago! I will need sugery! Fortunately it had not impeded my sex life, though it seemed to be headed that direction. Thought I would mention a "fistula" as a possible thing to consider since this had stymied all my doctors for years in case it helps you or someone reading this. Good luck!

Wait, Capricorn in the 7th house is the same as Saturn, isn't it? If so, then I do have it!

Vespa - Yes, Capricorn is ruled by Saturn, so you'll have Saturn influence in your 7th house.

No doubt about it, Saturn in the 7th house sucks...big time! One big disastrous relationship after another but i'm not bitter about it  Sorry Ellie, I don't have an encouraging story but I'm right there with ya so you're not alone, in fact your original post pretty much sums up my life too.

VespaChick, Saturn IS in ONE of your houses!

so Saturn in your 7th house might just point to an older partner. I don't see why it always has to be negative; Saturn can be really really good for you. I have it in my 6th house and I'm pretty sure that it helps me with my art work. It has to do with how Saturn is aspected by other planets and signs how bad or good it is in your chart, and even that changes with the continuing onslaaught of positive and negative transiting aspects.

Saturn has been anything but good for me--being a Virgo!

And an OLDER partner, now that I'm in my 40's, I was just ramping up to become a COUGAR! Damn!

I have Saturn in my 7th house. I have yet to experience a meaningful relationship.

 - also, I am in the midst of a troubled marriage.

HI folks, I am Indian Man 35 year, i have saturn in my 7th house. Venus and Mercury is also in my 7th House

I am really facing lot-off diffuclties holding a relationship. The more strong i become to hold my relationship, its just taking in reverse direction to cut-off from me. If i don't discuss any in relationship and my partner just needs that.

I was with Love with my girl at 29, but didn't stand atall... i was so depressed,lot of worries, fears... let me go for it or not.. i believe both loved each other some moments of the day, rest of the days its cold.. and broke-up and shed got married with other man.

After this, I got married, so that i thought i would get bonding in relationship,love etc... it's the  its the same... as above...its almost 5 years most, we never broke-up, the thing, we broke living separetely, at times i make my efforts to go back to save my marriage.. again broke-up living separetely. I would we will together in one house only about 9 months totally of 5 years. Currently, we are just seperated.. she can't stand my words and i can't stand my words.. We are just seperted at the moment.. feel very lonely, fear, depression... don't how to proceed....at time i make some strong efforts to call my partner, there is again something or other type of rejections.

My stong sense of feeling now my next to her or from her would end-up.. this is happening, since 5 years but not ending-up neither living together happily.

Please HELP, your advice here is really appreciated.

Thanks

With Best Regards

Kris

I don't know Kris, but here's something to try:

let her know that you'd really like a chance to talk with her, ask her for the opportunity to talk with her.  let it be her choice.  if she says no, kindly accept it.  wait a week or so.  kindly ask again.  if you get the opportunity to talk with her, kindly ask her what it is she needs to be happy in your marriage.  tell her you'd like some time to think about and then really think it over.  if you can do what it is she asks, tell her that.  then do it.

I'm sure there are things that YOU need to be happy in the marriage too.  let that come later.  work on YOUR side of things.  if it's possible to make it work, she will realize that she wants to ask what YOU need, eventually. 

Ellie J.

 I have Saturn ruling my 7th house (Capricorn descendant).  It cannot be all doom and gloom ( I keep telling myself  and my mother that; though I haven't married yet).   It absolutely doesn't favor jumping into a marriage with someone. To see why you are having trouble, you'd have to look at your whole chart -- (i.e. what aspects Saturn is making to other planets, what the ruler of your 7th is doing).  Jupiter in the seventh house isn't necessarily great either (multiple marriages, super gassy partner!) 

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