Okay, so now there's this scorpio in my life. Sun, mercury, venus, jupiter, neptune in scorpio.

Capricorn moon.

Saturn in taurus...

As I wrote on the facebook thread, this is a reconnection, someone I knew in high school. So we're talking and maybe we'll see each other in a couple months, see if there's any potential (we live in different cities).
Perhaps we'll just build a solid friendship.

My question is this though: I'm looking for some feedback about the capricorn moon. How does it feel to you if you have one? Or if your partner has one? And all that scorpio is new to me. I'm getting a crash course in intensity and here I thought I was the intense one!

Please share your thoughts on cappy moons and/or mega scorpio people....

Cappy moon is me so for what its worth - I think cappy moons don't really give their hearts to anyone until they have really checked out the credentials and potential for longevity.  That isn't to say I haven't had flings and shorter than that but I wouldn't give my heart away without the above.

I think cappy moons are quite independent because they struggle with self esteem so better to be safe than sorry.  V. Sensitive underneath appearing not to give a damn.

Like to be in charge :) and once heart is given VERY loyal - as in you are now in my tribe therefore I honour and protect you UNLESS you let me down and then I will be very disappointed!

Hmm Im a Scorp, with an 8th house and a cap moon.... I dont know about this guy but for me with scorp and cap I dont do casual relationships, I like what I like and thats that. I find I dont show my emotions til  I trust. I keep my cards close to my chest but when I do fall I fall hard. I think cap moons are quite capable of providing even when they have very little. I know I can make things last for long time in the home from money to food. I can provide even in tough times, I make it my mission. I think capricorns of any kind (sun, moon, rising) have a wicked sense of humour. To be capricorn you have to laugh at life or else you'd be just miserable (then again I have a moon-jupiter sextile, doh)

As a scorpio I do like intensity and passion but at the end of the day I want loyalty. I think scorpios can be intense and you'd have to be careful of game playing. I know I can get a bit obsessive but each individual is different I think take it as it comes.

This is based on what I know of two of the closest, dearest people in my life.

My BF is a Scorpio (sun) and when he commits - he commits. You are the only woman in his life. Before we were together, he had a wandering eye, but since we dated last year, he almost immediately stopped - not because it will simply hurt me (although it does), but because he just wouldn't. He's that intensely faithful. I've seen him date other women before and he really is intensely involved in them... and with myself. 

One of my best friends is a double Libra with a Cappy moon. The thing about him is that he doesn't normally want to let on that he is interested in a woman even though he has these intense feelings for him! Again, he is a one-woman man - commits even way before he establishes a formal commitment. He never shows a woman how he feels unless he is thoroughly sure that she has feelings for him. Bella is spot on on the "Better safe than sorry" part. 

Thanks all of you - this is really insightful and mirroring what I am observing.

And also I appreciate the time it takes to write such thoughtful responses -- just wanted to say that!

moonpluto,

I'll set up my comment with Shakespeare's advice that 'Tis better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all'.

You mention a potential friendship which is cool, however if it's to develop into something more, consider this....with a Scorpio it's not the beginning or middle you need to worry about but rather the end, in which the transcendant Scorpio energy will hurt. Scorpio is about endings so I'd consider whether this is a transformation you want to experience. If whatever occurs results in the loss of what is now a friendship will you both be OK with that?

For example, one of my closest friends is a Scorpio Sun woman. The moment we laid eyes on each other we were destined to know each other, in the full biblical sense. We quickly decided that old lovers don't/can't make good friends (the Harry met Sally dilemma). Therefore we ended the sex before it ended our friendship.

We share an incredibly close, intense friendship. I'm not advocating you do this, merely consider the end game. In our case we felt the sexual intensity would consume the friendship. Whatever happens I wish you the best. Namaste.

Cappy moon here who has to second the commitment and loyalty part.  I think it goes along with our need to be considered dignified, trustworthy, and a person of merit.  I also have to second the innate insecurity....which we pretend doesn't exist by sometimes being a jerk to those closest to us

Thank u, Julian - but this is someone I haven't seen/spoken to in 20 years until a couple days ago. There isn't much to lose, I feel. We have reconnected but we haven't been friends all these years--

So what I meant was that: he and I could develop a friendship in the future as grown-ups now.....or it could be more....

I'm just having a flash back to every Christmas of my youth.  My mom would be in the living room with all the ornaments strewn about and I would be sitting on the couch begging to help decorate. "no, no, I've got it all planned out, you don't know how its supposed to go."  My mom was a display artist for several major department stores and had a cap moon. 

There are going to be control issues (espcially with all that scorp) but on the lighter side they'll probably be over aesthetics or something easy to relenquish control of. Remember deep down inside Capricorn is always an artist chained to the rings of saturn.

Now I want to understand scorpionic manipulation. I know Elsa has written tons of this stuff on the blog -- about energy, energy manipulation, as it relates to scorpio, and more. But now I have a real life example.
In my life!

It also intersts me because even though I have pluto in the 1st I don't do this THING that I feel from scorpios -- the feeding off the other person. Or, just that it's different from what I do. Very different. Maybe we ALL feed off of others but in different ways.

And I am such a listener and absorber that I am tasty for those who feed, I think. Can anyone relate?

So I am getting to know my long lost friend and it's a crash course in this stuff. Tons of projection as well. He is frequently ascribing things to me.... that are actually his feelings or desires. It's so odd!!!

haha i was going to ask where neptune is and now i see that it's in scorp

no wonder he's projecting himself onto you...

And he's got mars in libra. Pretty sure I don't like this placement in a man. For a woman, okay --

but not for sexxxxxxxxxxxxx. My mars is in cancer -- so mars in libra or mars in aries just don't fit me

Mars in libra probably irritates the crap out of you but...

I've always found this placement makes a man very handsome. 

"Irritation" is the right word. I fear their response to MY version of sex will be "EW"

I've got a lot of earth and no libra (except jupiter)

I guess I don't really like handsome men, I don't value it. I like ugly.

I showed his picture to a gay friend of mine and my friend said "he's hot!"

Lol

Well Capricorn moon here!! I think I am by far the most sexually repressed person on this planet, emotionally repressed as well by the way. Capricorn moon is very cautious emotionally, I crave structure clarity and dependability in live and in love. Without it I feel lost. I unable to express feelings though (unless I'm pissed of which happens a lot due to mars in 1st house) and am not demonstrative, I think this is because I fear rejection more than death itself. I think I may need a partner to read me and drag these things out of me. When we open up though we are warm loyal and loving, at least I am...I think!

Oh and btw the capricorn moon in me never ever lets anybody know if I'm interested, not even the love of your live: Again, scared to death to be rejected, I'd rather dry up and die! You 'll have to do the seducing in this case, unless his Scorpio side is dominant (from looking at the info it might very well the case).

Welcome, fajalobi78. :-)

Not knowing the rest of the chart, I still think I can safely say that 5 planets in Scorpio is extremely powerful regardless of how the energy exactly manifests itself.  Not something you can shake off

Thank you Elsa, glad to be here!

Cap moon here with a TON of Scorpio.  I have a tremendous fear of abandonment and like Fajalobi78, I get really shy in front of a man I’m super attracted to.  Another thing I might add, it’s been really difficult to let go of people, even if the relationship is hurting me.  I seem to hold on even stronger for some reason if someone rejects me.  I realize this is sick and I’m working on this but it’s a result of early childhood traumatic programming.  Like Skye11, I don’t do casual relationships either and above all, I seek loyalty.  Now because I’m so intense, AND insecure,  and as a Leo I seek so much attention, I can have more than one intense relationship at once... but they each have to remain faithful to me...  go figure!

my x-hubbie..also both of my parents, sister, brother and two other love interests all have or had cappie moons so i'm familiar here....

the common thread i see would be loyalty, great planning ability (notaterium's comment about her mom & the christmas tree ornaments...same story at our house) .... savvy, tasteful, cautious, wise...and very funny...great sense of humor with these cappy moons.....oh, and did i mention they also go in great worry periods where they appear much more vulnerable than they would otherwise and while i hate to see them in this state,  it is also very endearing because you realize there is such vulnerability beneath that extremely capable presence they project (or i project onto them ;-)  

wish you all the best with the visit with your friend....sounds heavenly...all the scorp and your moonpluto.....yowzah....

Hi Moonpluto,

I've met Scorpios and I've met Capricorns and I've met/known/dated people with moons in both these signs, though never in the exact package you describe.

I would guess that the water sun and earth moon would bring some harmony and ease in which the guy is able to assert himself, blending his actions with his emotions. That makes for a good, strong personality, someone who's comfortable in their own skin.

I lived with a Cap moon boyfriend for 4 years and his emotions were highly stunted or he denied them. I honestly was never sure just "how" if at all he felt things. He had a Gemini sun and that's the polar opposite of Scorpio, so I would imagine that your guy will be able to express himself much more easily. The Cap moon will likely temper the Scorpio intensity at least to SOME degree. 

Libra Mars vs. Cancer Mars... ha... we had that aspect between us too. I'm the Libra. It's much worse when you're out and about. Libra likes to flit around and be OUTSPOKEN, walk up to strangers and just say whatever, laugh loudly, sing, and be free, while Cancer is scuttling along in a bashful, sideways fashion, you know how it goes. I mean the first time I met my ex I think I ran up to him and blurted something and his response was to recoil in horror.

At home, the difference is not so bad. Libra likes harmony, and although we get that bad rap being cardinal, we tend to change to fit the mood or the partner. At worst, I always found myself crashing into him unexpectedly in different parts of the house. Mostly though, the Capricorn moon blends well with my Scorpio moon at home. A private, low-key coupling. In other words, even though a lot of times I questioned his feelings (whether he had any about anything), it worked well because he never did anything to upset my Scorpio moon apple cart. 

My friend's husband is a Capricorn and I would bet money his moon is in Scorpio. SHE is a Scorpio and his intense love for her is unmatched by anything I've ever seen. As far as personality goes, he's very ambitious/goal driven, extremely loyal, home loving, appreciates the finer things, puts his family above all else, and has a somewhat perverted/slightly depraved sense of humor. So if your guy is a Scorp with moon in Cap, he may well be similar to this. Again, I don't know the dude's chart, but I have a strong suspicion where his moon is. 

Anyway, good luck and have fun getting to know him! The Libra mars calms down behind closed doors, I promise you. You really may just find that you get along better "in private" or in more intimate settings as opposed to parties and large groups. In the latter case, you will more than likely end up on opposite sites of the room.

how nice that this thread is still alive! Actually, that is something special about these boards: that "old" threads get resurrected (how plutonion, eh?)

I am flitting around the boards at the moment but have to come back and read what everyone wrote here since I last checked in. Thanks  to everyone who commented.

And since I last checked in, my life changed dramaticallly (Saturn was conjuncting my moon pluto conjunction in the 1st) and he and I weren't in touch so much but now we are in touch again. From what I remember, a lot of his Scorp stuff is in the 7th house, so a Libran flavor. And that Libra Mars conjuncts Uranus--

In my opinion: he doesn't know what he wants. He lives out West and invited me to visit once so we could.... get to know each other again. And then he kind of changed his mind! Said he was going through some tough stuff.

I took Elsa's advice and did my best to be cool, detatch (these aren't her words, but my interp), give him space, and he did just like she said he would. He came back and now he's inviting me again. I gave hiim space. What a lesson for a cancer girl to learn...

I'm gonna give it some tim and see how consistent he is with all this. I was really disappointed before when he came on all strong and then cooled off (out of fear, i suppose). 

Ah, life lessons, life lessons...

And that Libra Mars conjuncts Uranus--

Sun in Scorpio plus Jupiter plus Venus is pretty benevolent (what with the 7th house emphasis as a bonus), even with a Saturn opposition to all of those. The Mars/Uranus close conunction maybe square the moon would worry me. That's just not very stable.

If you had moon in  Scorpio or Taurus, you'd be set for life, I'd think, and you'd just need to live with his brain storms.

Good point, Max -- I can't remember his degrees (of moon and mars/uranus) but I'm pretty sure they didnt' square by degree... or I would have remembered that! And also remember asking him if he had a lot of love for his mom, cuz his moon was so well aspected.

Still, a square by sign (even though not by degree) is meaningful...

I have moon in virgo and his chart doesn't badly aspect my moon (conjunct pluto in virgo in the 1st).

Best of all, we have nice Venus aspects (His venus, my planets) -- this has been rare in my life!

Anyway....

Good point, Max -- I can't remember his degrees (of moon and mars/uranus) but I'm pretty sure they didnt' square by degree... or I would have remembered that!

Well, it's either ~7 Cap (6-8 Cap) or ~21 Cap (20-22 Cap) [if he was born in the US or Canada), so 21 Cap it is, since that has no serious negative aspects. Taurus Rising or later Aries rising.

Which puts you Cancer sun around the IC and your moon smack dab in the 5th house of his chart. Not too bad. It's not a bad chart at all, the only real problem being Mars/Uranus conjunct, and Neptune possibly late in the 7th. I know a lady born some 23 days after your guy, and I like her rather a lot. Slinky.

Still, a square by sign (even though not by degree) is meaningful...

Yeah, but in his case, all the action is the Saturn oppo to the Scorpio cluster and the opposition twixt Chiron and the Mars/Uranus conjunction. The square by sign is very minor.

Unless there's some kind of nasty T-square with planets of yours in Leo, it seems OK. As I said, he's just get the brainstorms from time to time.

max
['Uf da.']

My Venus in Leo is higher degree than his Scorp stuff.... more later....

mp

(appreciates these insights)

max, what you say echoes some stuff Elsa said to me: about the taurus opp all his scorpio -- where the action is. Yeah, just validating your comments. Makes sense. And he does have Neptune in 7th...

And he does have Neptune in 7th...

Idealizes marriage, but also ambivalent and vacillating and unclear.

Oooo. His progressed Merc is leaving the square to Uranus/Mars... but the progressed moon is headed into Cancer as is the ASC.

Elsa is right. You're gonna haveta be patient, because if he settles on you, he's going to want to get married and keep you around for a long while, so he's going to be kicking the tires a lot.

max
['So, you're just laying on the bank of the lake, line in the water, cap down over your face, takin' a nap.']

to continue the neptune theme: i have venus in the 12th and pisces on my desc... on the one hand iidealize marriage/relationship but on the other hand...

the biggest challenge at the moment is that we live on opposite coasts. He invited me to visit but money is an issue for me. It may also be an issue for him at this time so not sure how this visit is going to happen. He immediately saw the distance as impediment but i didn't.... but now the practical reality is showing itself...

And you are right, max, he has vacillated. Offering things and then changing mind. Frustrating for me. Then he wonders why I "hold back" as he called it. I can't make something run on my own. I used to, but I can't anymore.

that's nice about the progressed moon....

What does that mean: kicking the tires?

(wondering if i ever will see him in person but it feels like the least of my worries today wish i were a drinker)

He immediately saw the distance as impediment but i didn't.... but now the practical reality is showing itself...

So, to make the practical realities work, you would need lots of patience.

Offering things and then changing mind. Frustrating for me.

Moon plus Pluto wants to go all in, and Cancer is good at getting things started. He's got Saturn in Taurus opposite the Lesser Benefic, the Greater Benefic and the Higher Octave Benefic. Slow to move for a commitment. The only non-turtleness in his chart is Mars/Uranus and Moon in Cap (ha!).

What does that mean: kicking the tires?

Wanna make sure that shiny new car doesn't have any flats.

(wondering if i ever will see him in person but it feels like the least of my worries today wish i were a drinker)

A watched pot never boils, regardless of how bad Moon/Pluto wants it to bubble up. Take care of what you need to take care of.

max
['You will see how (slowly) constant he is.']

Now I have to say this: Moonpluto and I share the same transits, we both have cappy moons, our current squeeze have their moons in scorpio, had a bit of problem with our guys for a while, then got it somewhat sorted out now.

How much of a coincidence is that?

I am confused by your post, persian! Either I'm reading it wrong though, or you did -- I don't know if we are having the same transits, but I don't have a capricorn moon and he doesn't have a moon in scorpio (the moon in scorpio reference that max made had to do with a reading of the composite). I have virgo moon and he has the capricorn moon. Just wanted to clear that up. 

I am taking Max's advice and trying to NOT watch the pot and wait for it to boil but his slowness is frustrating. At first frustrating and then he becomes a memory. Which is fine also. Have to keep moving....He's in the back of my mind though and I know he'll surface--

In many of my relationships (of the last years) I felt like I was 75% percent of it. I can't do it all anymore, can't make anything run on my own. Can't be with someone who is happy with a fantasy or who is too scared/tired/whatever to relate to me.

eh, i'm fooling myself. I'm damn disappointed that he comes on strong and then vanishes (my perception). But nothing I can do, nothing I can do. 

"In many of my relationships (of the last years) I felt like I was 75% percent of it. I can't do it all anymore, can't make anything run on my own. Can't be with someone who is happy with a fantasy or who is too scared/tired/whatever to relate to me."

Amen to that sister!

My man's Neptune sits directly on his Sag descendant. (He's also a mega Scorpio in relation to this post) AND he has Venus in Libra to boot. Talk about vacillating. BUT, when Scorpio is committed, that's it. You are theirs. That's my 2 cents. :)

Vacillating.... yeah.  

Thank you for your two cents about scorpio/commitment, Alicia--

I guess this is part of the "kicking the tires" process. Whatever. My face hurts from all the kicking 

Gosh what are the transits today? I feel DARK

I think Elsa said COLD...so dark is definitely related!

Holy crap, I can feel the coldness and darkness too!

((((mp))))

 sending you love + faith!